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While I agree with sone of your points, there are many evidences that this happened in the past. One example is Microsoft creating teams to take on Slack.

by Oras 9mo ago

AbstractH24 9mo ago
I dont think the founders or early team at slack are upset with how things played out
- Sevii 9mo ago
  Just the consumers unfortunately.
ctkhn 9mo ago
Teams is still nowhere near Slack's features and usefulness. I wouldn't say it's a direct competitor, it's like store brand vs a mid-luxury item
- deleted 9mo ago
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- musicale 9mo ago
  Nobody really likes Teams, but it does seem to have more features than Slack in terms of integration with the rest of Microsoft's office software ecosystem. It's nice to be able to open up and edit Word/PowerPoint/Excel documents directly, view the Outlook calendar directly, etc. It is also integrated with SharePoint and OneDrive for file storage. Teams had video calls before Slack as well IIRC. Teams, Slack and Discord all seem to be built as clunky web apps; but my experience is that Discord seems to work slightly better than Slack, which in turn works slightly better than Teams.
  - KellyCriterion 9mo ago
    the thing is: TEAMS just works, even for all office drones who cant use a computer without accidents
    - hactually 9mo ago
      I can't get it to work. I have to use an incognito window or it just craps itself. Terrible software for mediocre companies.
      - KellyCriterion 9mo ago
        Well, since you are on HN you are quite above the maximum level of experience allowed to use TEAMS without hassle :-D
9rx 9mo ago
If, knowing what you know now, you could go back in time and be the one to create Slack would you not do it? Even if everyone is using Teams now (they're not), it took a really long time to show up that Slack's founders were able to capitalize on. The change in the software landscape today is the apparent ability to develop a competitor faster thanks to LLMs. But, as the parent points out, the bottleneck was never code writing. It was waiting on the people involved to get past their egos. LLMs have done nothing to change that.
atonse 9mo ago
Every single org I’ve seen using teams (sample size of 4-5 orgs) uses it because it came for free. And every one of them also got slack and paid for it. That says everything about how shitty Teams STILL is. MS still hasn’t improved it much from the steady state turd that it’s been a few years ago.
- dangus 9mo ago
  It’s so funny. My company is basically merger hell and we have both Teams and Slack for similar reasons. One of the more important acquired companies with a cash cow product basically refused to move to Teams because they hate it and concocted a reason that we just had to keep it. The reason was total BS but it was crafted to appeal to the higher-ups, and it worked, because nobody was really going to fight over less than ten bucks per person per month.

While I agree with sone of your points, there are many evidences that this happened in the past. One example is Microsoft creating teams to take on Slack.

by Oras 9mo ago

While I agree with sone of your points, there are many evidences that this happened in the past. One example is Microsoft creating teams to take on Slack.

AbstractH24 9mo ago

I dont think the founders or early team at slack are upset with how things played out

Sevii 9mo ago
Just the consumers unfortunately.

ctkhn 9mo ago

Teams is still nowhere near Slack's features and usefulness. I wouldn't say it's a direct competitor, it's like store brand vs a mid-luxury item

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musicale 9mo ago
Nobody really likes Teams, but it does seem to have more features than Slack in terms of integration with the rest of Microsoft's office software ecosystem. It's nice to be able to open up and edit Word/PowerPoint/Excel documents directly, view the Outlook calendar directly, etc. It is also integrated with SharePoint and OneDrive for file storage. Teams had video calls before Slack as well IIRC. Teams, Slack and Discord all seem to be built as clunky web apps; but my experience is that Discord seems to work slightly better than Slack, which in turn works slightly better than Teams.
- KellyCriterion 9mo ago
  the thing is: TEAMS just works, even for all office drones who cant use a computer without accidents
  - hactually 9mo ago
    I can't get it to work. I have to use an incognito window or it just craps itself. Terrible software for mediocre companies.
    - KellyCriterion 9mo ago
      Well, since you are on HN you are quite above the maximum level of experience allowed to use TEAMS without hassle :-D

9rx 9mo ago

If, knowing what you know now, you could go back in time and be the one to create Slack would you not do it? Even if everyone is using Teams now (they're not), it took a really long time to show up that Slack's founders were able to capitalize on. The change in the software landscape today is the apparent ability to develop a competitor faster thanks to LLMs. But, as the parent points out, the bottleneck was never code writing. It was waiting on the people involved to get past their egos. LLMs have done nothing to change that.

atonse 9mo ago

Every single org I’ve seen using teams (sample size of 4-5 orgs) uses it because it came for free. And every one of them also got slack and paid for it. That says everything about how shitty Teams STILL is. MS still hasn’t improved it much from the steady state turd that it’s been a few years ago.

dangus 9mo ago
It’s so funny. My company is basically merger hell and we have both Teams and Slack for similar reasons. One of the more important acquired companies with a cash cow product basically refused to move to Teams because they hate it and concocted a reason that we just had to keep it. The reason was total BS but it was crafted to appeal to the higher-ups, and it worked, because nobody was really going to fight over less than ten bucks per person per month.