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Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
by Simulacra 9mo ago
Where is the line between whistleblower and doxxing?
- BadBadJellyBean 9mo agoIt's a blurry line that has to do with defending and attacking and is very dependent on personal experience and moral ideas.
- captainvaqina 9mo agoIf the fascists aren't following laws, why should anyone else?
- 0xy 9mo agoLook up Brosseau v. Haugen case law. There's extensive precedent for self defense for federal agents when people drive their car recklessly near them. Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified. In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the back (versus getting shot through the windscreen into the chest), and more bullets were discharged, and the car was further away!
- reanimus 9mo agoThe ruling itself even says that every case has to be taken in context, and that particular one was a known felon who has been accused of a crime fleeing in a vehicle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the decision [1] you won't find the word "defense" once, only "fleeing". 1: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1261.ZPC.html
- 0xy 9mo ago[flagged]
- backscratches 9mo agoShow us where it is written that any felony deserves instant death without a jury. You are not making a point.
- treetalker 9mo agoLast I checked, no one is a felon until so adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction. Parent comment appears to have in mind either reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe a felony was committed. So not identical at all — nor clear. Also questionable whether any commands were lawful.
- goatlover 9mo agoNo it's not. See the most recent NY Times article where they analyze the shooting from every available angle, and it's clear Agent Ross was not in danger, and was not hit by Good's vehicle. His phone he was recording with hit the front of the car as he was preparing to fire his weapon.
- 0xy 9mo agoThey explicitly did not consider the first-person video if you review that article. https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-video-fatal-ice-shooting-minneapolis/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-v... CBS found the opposite, that she hit him.
- goatlover 9mo agoCBS has been compromised by an owner who is a Trump loyalist. The NY Times article did include agent Ross's cellphone video in their analysis.
- subscribed 9mo agoInteresting way to pronounce "intentionally shot twice in the head through the side window" as "through the windscreen into the chest". Or maybe you just randomly forgot. Jonathan Ross, who killed an unarmed observer trying to drive away from him, has allegedly completed advanced firearms training and maintained expert marksman qualifications according to DHS Assistant Secretary McLaughlin. He shot to kill. And then him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim. There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable ("alternative facts" narrative non-withstanding).
- 0xy 9mo agoAre you claiming he did not shoot her in the chest through the windscreen? Patently ridiculous claim, there's clear evidence showing that this was the case. Unambiguously, the first shot was fired through the windscreen. Later, in a medical release, we learned that 3 bullets hit her. Meaning, the first shot through the windscreen hit her in the chest. Pretty blatantly obvious. >him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim Do you think police should allow a random guy claiming to be a doctor into an active crime scene to tamper with evidence? Or wait for an actual paramedic to show up? Not that it means absolutely anything at all, because given she was shot three times, twice in the chest, she was absolutely dead and there was no saving her, especially not by a random physician. >There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable You'll dispute the fact she hit him, though. Despite the evidence. https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-video-fatal-ice-shooting-minneapolis/ https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-v... "Johnson said his biggest takeaway from the video was a crunching sound he heard immediately before the gunshots, which he believes is the sound of the SUV hitting the ICE agent." "That data point for me shows that there was contact made with the agent, who is now in reasonable fear, who could clearly articulate being hit with an SUV as reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. And then the shots were fired," said Johnson.
- goatlover 9mo agoTerrible ruling then and polls show majority of Americans agree shooting Renee Good was not justifiable, nor are the current ICE tactics of dragging people fron their cars, breaking down their doors. And throwing pepper spray under the cars of families trying to leave.
- Miguel55 9mo ago[dead]
- estimator7292 9mo agoWhen the subject of such is using their power and position to hurt people vs when it's a private citizen minding their own business. Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
- DaSHacka 9mo ago[flagged]
- asacrowflies 9mo agoI can't wait until the comply logic turns around on you. I'm actually drooling for what the next administration will be able to do. We need a new mcarthy.
- DaSHacka 9mo agoI've already seen it, especially surrounding J6 prosecutions and COVID restrictions/requirements. It's rather you who's throwing the hissy fit when the shoe is on the other foot now.
- asacrowflies 9mo ago[flagged]
- DaSHacka 9mo ago[flagged]
- asacrowflies 9mo agoProsecution under the law is not murder. But to expect the current murderous administration to continue it's action without violent reprisal is childishly naive. Specifically us code title 18 section 2381-2385 And UCMJ articles 94. 134. 106a and dozens more .
- Havoc 9mo agoI believe the line lies somewhere around masked men harming innocent civilians
- zetanor 9mo agoIt's whistleblowing if I agree, doxing if I disagree, of course.
- superkuh 9mo agoPretty simple. These are federal government employees and county sherrifs. People in public positions. It's whistleblowing. This isn't any information about the people except in the context of their public employement status. Very clear cut. If it was their home phone numbers and addresses it might be slightly less clear. But it isn't. Take a look yourself before asking an obvious question next time.
- goatlover 9mo agoNo other LE agency needs masks and refuses to show badges and warrants when asked. So fuck ice and their privacy concerns. They deserved to be doxxed.
- jjav 9mo agoVery simple: when the government is acting illegally (violating the constitution, laws, and court orders), anything you can do to expose them is whistleblowing. doxxing OTOH is when you try to get an innocent person to be attacked by law enforcement on some fabricated reason.
- mktk1001 9mo agoYou can find all the professors employed by a public university and their salary. How is ice any different when it comes to accountability for public funds?