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we are talking about different things. you're confusing the efficiency of current marketing at making people buy stuff with the efficiency of the economic syste
by robotpepi 9mo ago
we are talking about different things. you're confusing the efficiency of current marketing at making people buy stuff with the efficiency of the economic system. the economic system is here for us to satisfy our needs (although of course the current economic system has a different purpose). marketing has orthogonal goals.
- satvikpendem 9mo agoSatisfying needs and wants, which marketing does very efficiently. You're just in the bubble of HN where no one clicks ads, everyone runs ad blockers, and people think ads are literally evil. The vast majority of people don't care and will even click on ads and buy products they want, otherwise ads would not work so well.
- robotpepi 9mo agowhat bubble are you talking about? you don't know what webpages I frequent. and you're still missing the point. I'm not saying that marketing has no effect on people (on the contrary, that's the problem, and it affects me too). my point is about the absurdity of basing our social organization on this. marketing only has perverse motivations, then you see the effects on people. tobacco is the classic example. this is an inefficiency of the system.
- satvikpendem 9mo agoThere is no social organization where ads and marketing would not exist, even if by force. Even mercantile economies had advertising.
- robotpepi 9mo agothere have been social organizations where it doesn't have the prominent role it has now, this is a 20th century phenomenon.
- satvikpendem 9mo agoAnd I would not want to live in those societies where new products aren't made because they can't sell because no one knows about them.
- robotpepi 9mo agoyou keep changing the goalpost...