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You'd think maybe posting photos of minors without their consent might also have been a rule to prevent long-standing issues. But, no? What is the long-standin

You'd think maybe posting photos of minors without their consent might also have been a rule to prevent long-standing issues. But, no? What is the long-standing issue that you would be preventing though? It's creepy and wrong to be sure, but say banning a specific subreddit with that content, what is the result of that action? With doxxing you have documented cases of people being harassed based on people finding out their true identity. So banning doxxing helps to prevent situations where people are harassed outside of the site for the things they do on the site.

tptacek 14y ago
Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there.
- Goronmon 14y ago
  Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there. Or you could just answer my question.
- fosap 14y ago
  Thinks that you don't like are creepy. Browsing photos on facebook is creepy. Watching anime is creepy. Two males kissing or merely being gay is creepy. Why would anybody give a fuck if you think something is creepy?
  - tptacek 14y ago
    No, that's not my argument. The creepiness of these particular photos was his assertion, and I suggested that he interrogate his assertion about why they were creepy (and "wrong") to help see why these photos are in particular problematic. I was specifically not litigating the enforceability of "creepiness" standards. For what it's worth: Watching anime isn't creepy. Two males kissing isn't creepy.
    - fosap 14y ago
      Ah, ok, my bad. But. Watching anime and two males kissing is definitively creepy. Ask any high schooler.
      - tptacek 14y ago
        I agree that this is a good illustration of why "creepiness" isn't a moral or practical standard.
tzs 14y ago
> With doxxing you have documented cases of people being harassed based on people finding out their true identity. So banning doxxing helps to prevent situations where people are harassed outside of the site for the things they do on the site. And banning posting candid sexually suggestive photos of kids helps to prevent the subjects of the photos from getting harassed at school when someone finds the photos online. I don't see why that should be any less important than trying to prevent harassment of people who take and post those photos. At least the person who gets harassed over posting the photos is getting harassed for something he actually deliberately did, whereas the kid might be getting harassed for accidentally showing some cleavage or some underwear. Or maybe it is ultimately the kid's fault for not dressing like a Saudi woman when in public.

tptacek 14y ago

Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there.

Goronmon 14y ago
Interrogate the assertion that those photos are "creepy and wrong". Why are they creepy and wrong? I think you'll find the answer to your question in there. Or you could just answer my question.
fosap 14y ago
Thinks that you don't like are creepy. Browsing photos on facebook is creepy. Watching anime is creepy. Two males kissing or merely being gay is creepy. Why would anybody give a fuck if you think something is creepy?
- tptacek 14y ago
  No, that's not my argument. The creepiness of these particular photos was his assertion, and I suggested that he interrogate his assertion about why they were creepy (and "wrong") to help see why these photos are in particular problematic. I was specifically not litigating the enforceability of "creepiness" standards. For what it's worth: Watching anime isn't creepy. Two males kissing isn't creepy.
  - fosap 14y ago
    Ah, ok, my bad. But. Watching anime and two males kissing is definitively creepy. Ask any high schooler.
    - tptacek 14y ago
      I agree that this is a good illustration of why "creepiness" isn't a moral or practical standard.

tzs 14y ago

> With doxxing you have documented cases of people being harassed based on people finding out their true identity. So banning doxxing helps to prevent situations where people are harassed outside of the site for the things they do on the site. And banning posting candid sexually suggestive photos of kids helps to prevent the subjects of the photos from getting harassed at school when someone finds the photos online. I don't see why that should be any less important than trying to prevent harassment of people who take and post those photos. At least the person who gets harassed over posting the photos is getting harassed for something he actually deliberately did, whereas the kid might be getting harassed for accidentally showing some cleavage or some underwear. Or maybe it is ultimately the kid's fault for not dressing like a Saudi woman when in public.