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So basically you’re trying to suppress opinions you don’t like or agree with, relevant or not?

SauntSolaire 9mo ago
Has nothing to do with me agreeing with them or not, they just tend to be low quality/value in general - more noise than signal on all sides.
- willmarch 9mo ago
  I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
- mdhb 9mo ago
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  - SauntSolaire 9mo ago
    There are plenty of websites intended for political discussions. HN, rather explicitly, is not one of them. I could write about how political discussions reduce the quality (and go against the purpose) of this site, but thankfully Dang has already covered that, so I'll just link to him instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 > That’s an incredibly gross personality trait. On a final note, I'll add that responses like these are a great example of the general degradation of discussion norms that occurs in these types of threads.
    - computerthings 9mo ago
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    - mdhb 9mo ago
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      - SauntSolaire 9mo ago
        It's not my "weird fucking content policing", it's literally the stated guidelines for this site -- reiterated repeatedly by the lead moderator, as I linked. Since you're in such disagreement with the rules of this site, maybe, rather than trying to change them, you should take your comments elsewhere.
        willmarch 9mo ago
        You’re misrepresenting what the content policy says (making it appear to favor your position more strongly than it does), as I believe a political article that engages intellectual curiosity should not be flagged according to the spirit of HN (which is subjective, of course, and leaves a lot of room for biased implementations even when someone believes they are not being biased). It’s not an easy problem to solve and is hard to balance fairly, so I think your painting of the content policy as being crystal clear is a misrepresentation that isn’t properly taking into account the subjectivity of what is viewed as political and what counts as intellectually stimulating to different HN users (as it seems if something is “interesting” then that tends to override the “political” in many instances on the home page, and is entirely subjective).
        SauntSolaire 9mo ago
        The application can be messy, but the policy itself is clear [1]. My position is that you can feel free to argue specific cases, but if someone's against the concept of moderating political stories, then that's directly at odds with the stated policy of this site and they would be better off posting elsewhere. [1] > "I know there are many users (actually a small-but-vocal minority of users) who complain that flags are being abused to suppress political stories. What these complainants never seem to take into account is that we want most political stories to be flagged on HN, for a critical reason: if they weren't, then HN would turn into a current-affairs site, and that would not be HN at all." (-dang)

Has nothing to do with me agreeing with them or not, they just tend to be low quality/value in general - more noise than signal on all sides.

willmarch 9mo ago
I’ve been able to have some quality discussions around these issues but I get your perspective. I hope at some point soon, we as a country, can go back to viewing politics as a rational and civil discussion of differences in policy approaches rather than as a tribal team sport or as an excuse to push extremist positions.
mdhb 9mo ago
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- SauntSolaire 9mo ago
  There are plenty of websites intended for political discussions. HN, rather explicitly, is not one of them. I could write about how political discussions reduce the quality (and go against the purpose) of this site, but thankfully Dang has already covered that, so I'll just link to him instead. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 > That’s an incredibly gross personality trait. On a final note, I'll add that responses like these are a great example of the general degradation of discussion norms that occurs in these types of threads.
  - computerthings 9mo ago
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  - mdhb 9mo ago
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    - SauntSolaire 9mo ago
      It's not my "weird fucking content policing", it's literally the stated guidelines for this site -- reiterated repeatedly by the lead moderator, as I linked. Since you're in such disagreement with the rules of this site, maybe, rather than trying to change them, you should take your comments elsewhere.
      - willmarch 9mo ago
        You’re misrepresenting what the content policy says (making it appear to favor your position more strongly than it does), as I believe a political article that engages intellectual curiosity should not be flagged according to the spirit of HN (which is subjective, of course, and leaves a lot of room for biased implementations even when someone believes they are not being biased). It’s not an easy problem to solve and is hard to balance fairly, so I think your painting of the content policy as being crystal clear is a misrepresentation that isn’t properly taking into account the subjectivity of what is viewed as political and what counts as intellectually stimulating to different HN users (as it seems if something is “interesting” then that tends to override the “political” in many instances on the home page, and is entirely subjective).
        SauntSolaire 9mo ago
        The application can be messy, but the policy itself is clear [1]. My position is that you can feel free to argue specific cases, but if someone's against the concept of moderating political stories, then that's directly at odds with the stated policy of this site and they would be better off posting elsewhere. [1] > "I know there are many users (actually a small-but-vocal minority of users) who complain that flags are being abused to suppress political stories. What these complainants never seem to take into account is that we want most political stories to be flagged on HN, for a critical reason: if they weren't, then HN would turn into a current-affairs site, and that would not be HN at all." (-dang)