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Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really
by footy 9mo ago
Good. Carney also remarked our relationship with China is now more predictable with our relationship with the states (wild shade coming from him) just to really make it clear to certain parties why this is happening.
Cheaper car options in this country will be nice, and I say this as a certified car hater who's yet to own one despite pushing 40.
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- footy 9mo agoneither does America, and they're much closer and dangerous to us at this time.
- chrisco255 9mo ago[flagged]
- footy 9mo agoThe US is currently threatening multiple of its NATO partners and serious people don't expect NATO to be around by the end of 2028. I am a less serious person I guess, because I expect it to break up within a year. I'm glad you have so many cool 80 year old anecdotes to tell yourself, but things change.
- rootusrootus 9mo ago> The U.S. does NATO and foots the majority of the bill and human resources for North Atlantic defense. That includes Canada For how much longer? NATO won't survive this administration.
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- ceejayoz 9mo ago> China has never done anything like that in its multi-thousand year history. I mean, China's perspective on at least one of your examples is that it saved North Korea from decades-long rule by succession of military dictatorships that ruled in South Korea. Which isn't entirely unfair.
- timeon 9mo agoNATO is basically dead at this point.
- lordgroff 9mo agoThe idea that any country does 'friends' is, frankly, incredibly naive. Besides, Carney doesn't want to be friends with China, he wants to open up the market between the two countries. Of course, everyone here was better off when the trade flows crossed the natural north/south border, but this dependence created a weakness in a situation where our neighbourly hegemon decided to not be so neighbourly anymore. Turns out we weren't friends either.
- layer8 9mo agopredictability != friendship And America currently does neither.
- justonceokay 9mo agoDoes the US “do friends?” Does France? Does any country?
- boringg 9mo agoShared values do have meaning and an importance. They used to mean a fair bit especially when you needed to fight an aggressor.
- footy 9mo agoYeah, that's why we're also leaning into our relationship with Europe. We were fooled by Americans but we clearly do not in fact share values, and they're the aggressor we need to fight off here.
- boringg 9mo agoThere's only a small subset of Americans who think this way, but they happen to be in power right now.
- netsharc 9mo agoSo, out of the 2 countries situated north of Mexico, whose leader has taken a huge deviation from these "shared values"?
- boringg 9mo agoChina doesn't do friends - thats for sure. However if you have a transactional trade relationship with clear boundaries that don't get undermined due to random temperaments you can build on that. The other is impossible to build on - especially threatening to own the country. This is an eye opening event.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoYeah. Nations need reliable partners more than they need unreliable friends.
- adamiscool8 9mo agoChina and their famously steady temperament would never be so bold as to try to own a dependent country or strategically weaponize trade. These are real things Canadians believe - talk about eye opening!
- timeon 9mo agoSure but still better than USA.
- adamiscool8 9mo agoBetter how?
- ceejayoz 9mo agoNot currently making "jokes" about annexing the country?
- adamiscool8 9mo agoTwo years ago the same party that currently holds Canadian government and just made these concessions to China completed a report [0] that found >[China’s actions] collectively "undermine our democratic institutions, our fundamental rights and freedoms, our social cohesion and our long-term prosperity.”[343] [and] the need to consider the threats in the context of an increasingly assertive PRC. Accordingly, Minister Garneau stated that various countries, including Canada, are reassessing their relationship with the PRC in light of its authoritarian and coercive actions. But yeah a little chirping about Canada’s own unfair trade practices must be DEFCON 3 for US-Canada relations. [0] https://www.ourcommons.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/CACN/report-3/page-153 https://www.ourcommons.ca/documentviewer/en/44-1/CACN/report...
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- Analemma_ 9mo agoBetween the US and China, one is right now making active threats to invade and annex Canada, the other is not. "Who should we forge ties with" seems pretty obvious.
- chrisco255 9mo agoNo one is making serious threats to invade Canada, that's ridiculous. We don't need maple syrup that badly.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoA few weeks ago I'd have laughed at the idea of Trump stealing someone's Nobel Peace Prize. But here we are.
- sebastiennight 9mo ago> No one is making serious threats to invade Canada, that's ridiculous Would you care to share a few actual quotes that show the obvious facetiousness of the US executive comments that have been made about invading Canada, and comparing them with the obvious seriousness of comments from the same administration about invading Venezuela? This would be very helpful for foreigners who might have difficulties reading the difference between very public statements that seem quite similar from abroad.
- triceratops 9mo agoNon-serious threats are just as bad.
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- cmrdporcupine 9mo agoGeopolitical / economic activity doesn't happen on the basis of friendship. The US has exploited Canada for decades. Sometimes it's been somewhat beneficial for some part of the Canadian working class. Other times not. China will do the same. Just from a further distance. Americans who like to convince themselves that the US has been doing charity work for us are delusional. They've benefited from discounted resources and cheap labour. Now China will benefit from that instead, and the US will look internally for cheap labour of its own. American workers who think they'll get a good deal out of cutting Canada out of the equation... again, delusional. Their necks are first on the chopping block. First through paying more at the cash register because of tariffs, and next because the Trump admin will be coming after their salaries next.
- yabones 9mo agoI think the niche for EV's in Canada will be regional-ish transportation... I would love to see a network of chargers that fully cover the Trans-Canada Highway, but there are still some pretty significant gaps, for example Hwy 17 - If even one of the stations goes down you'd be stranded. But in that niche I can really see cheap EVs taking off. I know several people who live in Toronto whose cars have never been more than ~80 KM from home, and rarely been over 100 KM/h. That's a perfect EV user. And a huge plus would be to get rid of the monster American trucks & SUVs that take four parking spots and two lanes at a time...
- footy 9mo agoAs a Torontonian that last part is honestly what I'm most excited about. Massive American cars simply do not belong in most of our streets in this city, and if this starts the long process of getting them out that's going to be amazing. I've seen Cybertrucks zooming down streets that are about a Cybertruck and a half wide and it's an untenable situation.
- bluGill 9mo agoMassive trucks are useful for construction. You should get better transit so less people have cars.
- mapotofu 9mo agoMassive trucks are useful for construction when they are used for construction. The ones that are used for leisure are the trucks the poster was likely referring to.
- culi 9mo agoIf you need to use a truck daily for work an F-150 is an awful choice. The beds of these things are the same size or smaller as pickup trucks from 30 years ago while the bed is also much higher off the ground making it more impractical to regularly load on and off. The bed is only 37% of the truck! The main thing that's increased the size of these trucks is an increase in hull width and cabin size. According to this study, most F-150s on the road are not used for work https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-use-them https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-...
- corry 9mo agoA bit of nuance: yes, Carney said that but he didn't just offer up the opinion unprompted - it was in response to a direct press question about if China or the US is a more predictable partner right now. And even then, he didn't lead with "China is!" but wandered his way into offering the assessment. The context makes his comment on this seem less nakedly provocative (not that it'll matter either way - the headline will be the headline, and the Trump admin will use it however they see fit as usual).
- boringg 9mo agoWho wants to be a trade partner with the US these days? I honestly ask people who aren't fully indoctrinated or already have ties established? Its a dependency that I have to think almost all countries/businesses are evaluating. How do you do business and set up long term supply chains in a country can't trust that the economic policy of today exists in 3 months, they are actively trying to undermine their currency and the system of law is under heavy pressure to the point of failure. It is tough to be supportive of the United States under this administration or that the future state of the US will be more sound. Having their formally closest trade partner looking over to China for trade is a massive signal. The trade off is the market is large and strong financial (availability of capital) foundation - but I fear thats changing.
- yibg 9mo agoSame reason everyone wanted to get into the China market. The size of the market and potential to make money.
- epolanski 9mo agoAnybody who knows what a huge market US is, filled with tons of millions of people that spend big, even when financially unsound.
- saati 9mo agoIt's a bit more than a quarter (25.6%) of the whole world's GDP, so pretty much everyone.
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- timbit42 9mo agoThe enemy of my enemy...
- jackling 9mo agoI mean Canada's largest trading partner is the US, which also has many examples of large scale human right abuses. As a Canadian, it's not really relevant to me that a country we trade with isn't liberal, and I don't agree with the premise that China is inheriently anti-west. Anti-western values, yes, but China does not threaten west violently in anyway that I can see. They mostly threaten western dominance economically. IMO, Canada should just do what's best for its citizen, which is get good trade deals, and ensure that our values don't morph into something unrecognizable. What other countries do in their own borders is largely irrelevant.
- yadaeno 9mo ago> in the US, which also has many examples of large scale human right abuses. Excuse me? Citation is needed here for present day human rights abuses in the US. > Canada should just do what's best for its citizen, which is get good trade deals, and ensure that our values don't morph into something unrecognizable. What other countries do in their own borders is largely irrelevant. It’s extremely relevant, if you believe in personal liberties and democracy you should to do business with societies that uphold personal liberties and democracy it’s that simple.
- jackling 9mo agoSure, just a few examples off the top of my head: - Abortion bans in the US constitute abuses of female reproductive rights and affect millions: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/08/usa-abortion-bans-restrictions-cause-extensive-harm-violate-human-rights/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/08/usa-abortion-... - The Iraq War, in my opinion: https://www.ecchr.eu/en/publication/the-iraq-invasion-is-a-crime/ https://www.ecchr.eu/en/publication/the-iraq-invasion-is-a-c... - Guantánamo Bay: https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/08/29/us-migrants-face-abuse-in-guantanamo https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/08/29/us-migrants-face-abuse-i... & https://www.amnesty.org.uk/guantanamo-bay-human-rights https://www.amnesty.org.uk/guantanamo-bay-human-rights - Yemen, broadly: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/10/yemen-us-air-strike-on-migrant-detention-centre-must-be-investigated-as-a-war-crime https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/10/yemen-us-air-... - Depending on who you ask, you could also point to large-scale violations of the rights of migrants and asylum seekers, as well as the over-policing of minority populations. The US also does not consistently uphold the same values that you say liberal democracies should. It does business with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and others. As for your second point: “It’s extremely relevant. If you believe in personal liberties and democracy, you should only do business with societies that uphold personal liberties and democracy. It’s that simple.” I would ask, why? I believe in personal liberties and democracy for my people, my community, and my country. If another country’s population does not hold those beliefs as a majority, why is that my concern? If we truly restricted trade only to countries that share our beliefs, our list of trading partners would be very small. What would the benefit be? Additionally, given your request for citations, I suspect we would disagree significantly on which countries actually reflect our values. I am not sure we could arrive at a consistent list of partners that share our values. For example, I do not believe the USA has a strong democracy. It has a rather weak one. Should it be excluded as well?
- tistoon 9mo agoYou do realize that this will impact the car industry and jobs in Canada, right? Even a not-so-good deal with the usa would be much better that this overall!