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Damn. What alternatives does HN recommend?

arcanemachiner 9mo ago
Well, there's this other project that recently secured funding from a company that has a proven track record of supporting great open-source projects like Astro, TanStack, and Hono without trying to capture or lock anything down. There's even an article about it somewhere.
azangru 9mo ago
Eleventy, of course :-) But why are you looking for alternatives already?
- jcmfernandes 9mo ago
  I'm not! Just preparing myself for the worst-case scenario and creating some bookmarks meanwhile.
- throwawa71973 9mo ago
  Dropped eleventy recently. Disliked the templating solutions, the messy documentation, the loss in momentum, and liked a lot of the stuff (especially the tooling and principles) in astro. Also strongly disliked how political eleventy got. I just wanted a website, not a an internal debate about what I am potentially being absorbed into. I can vote, and spend money on donations, I don't need to enact change through my tech stack.
  - wahnfrieden 8mo ago
    What are you referring to re: it getting political?
evantbyrne 9mo ago
I experimented a lot with bootstrapping React projects this past fall, and Astro was by far the least painful to use. Notably, it was the least goofy of all of the React starter kits to use for server API development.
porker 9mo ago
https://lume.land/ https://lume.land/ a good, straightforward SSG. There's one other I've seen recently that looked good but I have misplaced the link
- porker 8mo ago
  https://mastrojs.github.io/ https://mastrojs.github.io/ was the one I couldn't recall.
pousada 9mo ago
HTML. Unironically have been migrating my static pages (from Nextjs and Eleventy) to plain HTML and love it. Of course depends on your use case if that is feasible.
- azangru 9mo ago
  Plain html has two things going against it. First, it doesn't have any provisions for code reuse. So, if you have multiple pages that use the same header, same footer, or same navigation menu, your options are either to copy-paste it (gross), or to build the final html out of smaller pieces, at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator or a web server. Second, if you write long stretches of text, the html markup can get in the way, as opposed to unobtrusiveness of something like markdown.
  - pjmlp 9mo ago
    Or I don't know, use WebComponents.
    - azangru 9mo ago
      How would this help? You would want your header render on the server, wouldn't you? Not to incur a CLS penalty, right? How does a web component help in this scenario?
      - pjmlp 8mo ago
        You use server includes in that case, a simple Apache configuration. Welcome to the 1990's web coding.
  - H1Supreme 9mo ago
    > at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator ... It doesn't have to be Astro though. You can build something super simple that just includes the header, footer, and nav. Leaving most of the site as plain HTML.
pjmlp 9mo ago
Mastering HTML, CSS and vanilajs. Then one is pretty much safe from framework tides.
hydroxideOH- 9mo ago
I recently rebuilt my site with Parcel + React Server Components. RSC are designed to solve many of the same problems that Astro does. And Parcel is “just” a bundler and not a framework, so it has less magic and gives you more control. https://micahcantor.com/blog/rsc-rewrite.html https://micahcantor.com/blog/rsc-rewrite.html
gulugawa 9mo ago
Vite. https://codeberg.org/createthirdplaces/frontend/src/branch/main/vite.config.js https://codeberg.org/createthirdplaces/frontend/src/branch/m...

Well, there's this other project that recently secured funding from a company that has a proven track record of supporting great open-source projects like Astro, TanStack, and Hono without trying to capture or lock anything down. There's even an article about it somewhere.

azangru 9mo ago

Eleventy, of course :-) But why are you looking for alternatives already?

jcmfernandes 9mo ago
I'm not! Just preparing myself for the worst-case scenario and creating some bookmarks meanwhile.
throwawa71973 9mo ago
Dropped eleventy recently. Disliked the templating solutions, the messy documentation, the loss in momentum, and liked a lot of the stuff (especially the tooling and principles) in astro. Also strongly disliked how political eleventy got. I just wanted a website, not a an internal debate about what I am potentially being absorbed into. I can vote, and spend money on donations, I don't need to enact change through my tech stack.
- wahnfrieden 8mo ago
  What are you referring to re: it getting political?

evantbyrne 9mo ago

I experimented a lot with bootstrapping React projects this past fall, and Astro was by far the least painful to use. Notably, it was the least goofy of all of the React starter kits to use for server API development.

porker 9mo ago

https://lume.land/ https://lume.land/ a good, straightforward SSG. There's one other I've seen recently that looked good but I have misplaced the link

porker 8mo ago
https://mastrojs.github.io/ https://mastrojs.github.io/ was the one I couldn't recall.

pousada 9mo ago

HTML. Unironically have been migrating my static pages (from Nextjs and Eleventy) to plain HTML and love it. Of course depends on your use case if that is feasible.

azangru 9mo ago
Plain html has two things going against it. First, it doesn't have any provisions for code reuse. So, if you have multiple pages that use the same header, same footer, or same navigation menu, your options are either to copy-paste it (gross), or to build the final html out of smaller pieces, at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator or a web server. Second, if you write long stretches of text, the html markup can get in the way, as opposed to unobtrusiveness of something like markdown.
- pjmlp 9mo ago
  Or I don't know, use WebComponents.
  - azangru 9mo ago
    How would this help? You would want your header render on the server, wouldn't you? Not to incur a CLS penalty, right? How does a web component help in this scenario?
    - pjmlp 8mo ago
      You use server includes in that case, a simple Apache configuration. Welcome to the 1990's web coding.
- H1Supreme 9mo ago
  > at which point you've reinvented either a static site generator ... It doesn't have to be Astro though. You can build something super simple that just includes the header, footer, and nav. Leaving most of the site as plain HTML.

pjmlp 9mo ago

Mastering HTML, CSS and vanilajs. Then one is pretty much safe from framework tides.

hydroxideOH- 9mo ago

I recently rebuilt my site with Parcel + React Server Components. RSC are designed to solve many of the same problems that Astro does. And Parcel is “just” a bundler and not a framework, so it has less magic and gives you more control. https://micahcantor.com/blog/rsc-rewrite.html https://micahcantor.com/blog/rsc-rewrite.html

gulugawa 9mo ago

Vite. https://codeberg.org/createthirdplaces/frontend/src/branch/main/vite.config.js https://codeberg.org/createthirdplaces/frontend/src/branch/m...