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There are well-known negative side effects. What are the side effects to listening to AI music? If there are negative side effects, then I'd guess they'd be sha

There are well-known negative side effects. What are the side effects to listening to AI music? If there are negative side effects, then I'd guess they'd be shared with non-AI music, since they sound pretty close to the same by now. Or, maybe the "negative" side effect from the industry's perspective is that the price of listening to music will drop.

LunaSea 9mo ago
The largest side effect is that music won't be made by humans anymore.
- pawelduda 9mo ago
  Is someone banning humans from making music?
  - LunaSea 9mo ago
    No, but if something is going to be close to free to produce the consequence will be that no commercial piece of music will be incentivized to be produced by humans. Commercial music isn't the only way to make music, but it pays people that want to professionally work as musicians.
    - pawelduda 9mo ago
      Looking at the surface, it is true, but there are caveats: - Not all musicians are in the field because it pays, some of them haven't earned a cent - There are talented people who would like to create music but are forced to work long hours, which leaves them drained. Perhaps in the future, humans won't have to work that much, which will allow them to pursue creative hobbies such as music making - Artists will be able to continue performing live, which will act as a huge filter for the AI-generated content and keep paying them. Aside from that I agree, though musicians just one of many groups disrupted by AI and I wouldn't say they'll be the ones hurt most by it, mostly because they can continue to "exist" outside of the Internet, and experiencing music live could become more popular because of it. A lot of assumptions here, I know
      - LunaSea 9mo ago
        > Perhaps in the future, humans won't have to work that much, I think that this is the fairytale part that I have trouble accepting. Coming from a country that has a very limited social welfare system I don't believe that the political or social climate is adapted to take such steps in a future where a lot of things are automated. It goes against everything that we've seen in the last 150 years. > Artists will be able to continue performing live, which will act as a huge filter for the AI-generated content and keep paying them. Or AI "musicians" will play live events as holograms. > Aside from that I agree, though musicians just one of many groups disrupted by AI and I wouldn't say they'll be the ones hurt most by it, mostly because they can continue to "exist" outside of the Internet, and experiencing music live could become more popular behind it. Sure, they might not be the most affected by AI, but they would still be affected which is the reason I'm not a fan of AI in music. This pushback doesn't need to be reserved to the most impacted activities.
    - bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
      In other words, the current system allows a select few artists to make money/fame from doing something they want to do (opposed to have to do to make a living). Or also, AI music will lessen the good feeling some people get when they believe that musicians can make money producing music. I don't disagree that these things exist, but I do believe that these are mostly propped up by dynamics that will soon no longer exist.
      - LunaSea 9mo ago
        > Or also, AI music will lessen the good feeling some people get when they believe that musicians can make money producing music. If that is your way of saying that AI will remove the possibility for humans to create music full time due to there being no money anymore in music then sure. > I don't disagree that these things exist, but I do believe that these are mostly propped up by dynamics that will soon no longer exist. Which are?
        bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
        The same dynamic that propped up blacksmiths, potters, tailors, etc.: the absense of scaling/automating technology. There is still demand for authentic artisanal crafts and the "good feeling" that these people can earn money, but the magnitude has been reduced to the farmer's markets. I can see a similar thing playing out with music. There will still be some token demand, but people will not pay the same when they can have a magic, infinitely producing on-demand, tailored-to-their-taste music machine, at vanishingly small marginal costs.
        LunaSea 9mo ago
        I would agree with your analysis but the conclusion you make of your analysis is that this is a good thing?
        bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
        Just a realistic thing. Or, a good thing for consumers, a bad thing for producers (and a bad thing for producers who are actually consumers in disguise of a desired lifestyle and/or status).
- obsoleetorr 9mo ago
  so? agriculture is made by tractors now. should we ban them and return to the plow?
  - LunaSea 9mo ago
    Tractors increase efficiency and plowing is a manual task. Music is art and musicians don't lack in efficiency.

LunaSea 9mo ago

The largest side effect is that music won't be made by humans anymore.

pawelduda 9mo ago
Is someone banning humans from making music?
- LunaSea 9mo ago
  No, but if something is going to be close to free to produce the consequence will be that no commercial piece of music will be incentivized to be produced by humans. Commercial music isn't the only way to make music, but it pays people that want to professionally work as musicians.
  - pawelduda 9mo ago
    Looking at the surface, it is true, but there are caveats: - Not all musicians are in the field because it pays, some of them haven't earned a cent - There are talented people who would like to create music but are forced to work long hours, which leaves them drained. Perhaps in the future, humans won't have to work that much, which will allow them to pursue creative hobbies such as music making - Artists will be able to continue performing live, which will act as a huge filter for the AI-generated content and keep paying them. Aside from that I agree, though musicians just one of many groups disrupted by AI and I wouldn't say they'll be the ones hurt most by it, mostly because they can continue to "exist" outside of the Internet, and experiencing music live could become more popular because of it. A lot of assumptions here, I know
    - LunaSea 9mo ago
      > Perhaps in the future, humans won't have to work that much, I think that this is the fairytale part that I have trouble accepting. Coming from a country that has a very limited social welfare system I don't believe that the political or social climate is adapted to take such steps in a future where a lot of things are automated. It goes against everything that we've seen in the last 150 years. > Artists will be able to continue performing live, which will act as a huge filter for the AI-generated content and keep paying them. Or AI "musicians" will play live events as holograms. > Aside from that I agree, though musicians just one of many groups disrupted by AI and I wouldn't say they'll be the ones hurt most by it, mostly because they can continue to "exist" outside of the Internet, and experiencing music live could become more popular behind it. Sure, they might not be the most affected by AI, but they would still be affected which is the reason I'm not a fan of AI in music. This pushback doesn't need to be reserved to the most impacted activities.
  - bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
    In other words, the current system allows a select few artists to make money/fame from doing something they want to do (opposed to have to do to make a living). Or also, AI music will lessen the good feeling some people get when they believe that musicians can make money producing music. I don't disagree that these things exist, but I do believe that these are mostly propped up by dynamics that will soon no longer exist.
    - LunaSea 9mo ago
      > Or also, AI music will lessen the good feeling some people get when they believe that musicians can make money producing music. If that is your way of saying that AI will remove the possibility for humans to create music full time due to there being no money anymore in music then sure. > I don't disagree that these things exist, but I do believe that these are mostly propped up by dynamics that will soon no longer exist. Which are?
      - bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
        The same dynamic that propped up blacksmiths, potters, tailors, etc.: the absense of scaling/automating technology. There is still demand for authentic artisanal crafts and the "good feeling" that these people can earn money, but the magnitude has been reduced to the farmer's markets. I can see a similar thing playing out with music. There will still be some token demand, but people will not pay the same when they can have a magic, infinitely producing on-demand, tailored-to-their-taste music machine, at vanishingly small marginal costs.
        LunaSea 9mo ago
        I would agree with your analysis but the conclusion you make of your analysis is that this is a good thing?
        bitshiftfaced 9mo ago
        Just a realistic thing. Or, a good thing for consumers, a bad thing for producers (and a bad thing for producers who are actually consumers in disguise of a desired lifestyle and/or status).
obsoleetorr 9mo ago
so? agriculture is made by tractors now. should we ban them and return to the plow?
- LunaSea 9mo ago
  Tractors increase efficiency and plowing is a manual task. Music is art and musicians don't lack in efficiency.