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Lots of popular music is slop. Are you saying that e.g. Spice Girls or Coldplay or whatever is not slop? It is certainly popular with people even if it's musica

Lots of popular music is slop. Are you saying that e.g. Spice Girls or Coldplay or whatever is not slop? It is certainly popular with people even if it's musically and creatively bankrupt. AI slop, Human slop - who cares if people are enjoying it.

lm28469 9mo ago
> AI slop, Human slop - who cares if people are enjoying it. Many people do care in fact.
- mattlondon 9mo ago
  But why should you make the distinction between slop that is created by a human or AI? Why should you care if something terrible was created by an AI or a human?
  - happytoexplain 9mo ago
    For the same reason some people like buying local, or buying hand-made, or buying "Made in <insert country>". People aren't robots, and we know the consequences of our actions are not limited to the current moment and on the current side of the black box we happen to be on as consumers. Further, even in cases of pure observation, where there is no monetary, verbal, implicit, or indirect support - e.g. just looking at a piece of art we didn't pay to see - we care about things that are not represented solely by the observable qualities of an object, especially when it comes to art and craft and the effort of people we admire. This is obvious, though. This part of human nature will never change, and there is no argument that can confront it, and no reason to want to formulate one unless: A. It makes you money. B. It appears to have dividing lines that match a larger culture war in which you have emotional stock.
  - _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
    Would you watch a sports league that was entirely AI generated? It's purely entertainment, why care if the athletes are real?
  - tim333 9mo ago
    Yellow by Coldplay was original, heartfelt and got years best single at the NME awards. If you are going to call that slop, what isn't slop?
falloutx 9mo ago
How is Spice girls & Coldplay slop? The entire production is so detailed with 1000s of people working on each song.
krapp 9mo ago
>Are you saying that e.g. Spice Girls or Coldplay or whatever is not slop? Your definition of "slop" seems to be "is popular with the mainstream." That isn't the definition used when applied to AI generated music. Spice Girls and Coldplay are leagues beyond anything an AI can currently produce in terms of artistic quality. Yes, there is artistic quality to popular culture. And to most people it matters that human beings produce it. It may not matter to you - you may only consider music or any other form of art to be nothing more than a means of producing stimuli intended to create a pleasing endorphine response, but most people don't want to process art the way a machine processes data.
happytoexplain 9mo ago
"Slop" doesn't mean "bad" or "designed for mass appeal". It means "low effort and inhuman" (to oversimplify).

lm28469 9mo ago

> AI slop, Human slop - who cares if people are enjoying it. Many people do care in fact.

mattlondon 9mo ago
But why should you make the distinction between slop that is created by a human or AI? Why should you care if something terrible was created by an AI or a human?
- happytoexplain 9mo ago
  For the same reason some people like buying local, or buying hand-made, or buying "Made in <insert country>". People aren't robots, and we know the consequences of our actions are not limited to the current moment and on the current side of the black box we happen to be on as consumers. Further, even in cases of pure observation, where there is no monetary, verbal, implicit, or indirect support - e.g. just looking at a piece of art we didn't pay to see - we care about things that are not represented solely by the observable qualities of an object, especially when it comes to art and craft and the effort of people we admire. This is obvious, though. This part of human nature will never change, and there is no argument that can confront it, and no reason to want to formulate one unless: A. It makes you money. B. It appears to have dividing lines that match a larger culture war in which you have emotional stock.
- _DeadFred_ 9mo ago
  Would you watch a sports league that was entirely AI generated? It's purely entertainment, why care if the athletes are real?
- tim333 9mo ago
  Yellow by Coldplay was original, heartfelt and got years best single at the NME awards. If you are going to call that slop, what isn't slop?

falloutx 9mo ago

How is Spice girls & Coldplay slop? The entire production is so detailed with 1000s of people working on each song.

krapp 9mo ago

>Are you saying that e.g. Spice Girls or Coldplay or whatever is not slop? Your definition of "slop" seems to be "is popular with the mainstream." That isn't the definition used when applied to AI generated music. Spice Girls and Coldplay are leagues beyond anything an AI can currently produce in terms of artistic quality. Yes, there is artistic quality to popular culture. And to most people it matters that human beings produce it. It may not matter to you - you may only consider music or any other form of art to be nothing more than a means of producing stimuli intended to create a pleasing endorphine response, but most people don't want to process art the way a machine processes data.

happytoexplain 9mo ago

"Slop" doesn't mean "bad" or "designed for mass appeal". It means "low effort and inhuman" (to oversimplify).