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Moxie Marlinspike sounds like some 90s intelligence guy’s understanding of what an appealing name to hacker groups would sound like. Put a guy like that as so-c
by kelipso 9mo ago
Moxie Marlinspike sounds like some 90s intelligence guy’s understanding of what an appealing name to hacker groups would sound like. Put a guy like that as so-called creator of some encryption protocol for messaging and promote the app like it’s for secret conversations and you think people won’t be suspicious? It screams honeypot like nothing else.
- stavros 9mo agoSo the argument against Signal is now "the creator's nickname sounds odd"? I mean, OK? Keep using WhatsApp, Telegram or Instagram if you think those are more private than Signal.
- kelipso 9mo agoDoes anyone actually think that’s his real name?
- stavros 9mo agoI'm sure some people who don't realise it's a pseudonym do? Sounds like you're one of them.
- omnimus 9mo agoIt's totally comments of people using Telegram.
- stavros 9mo agoIt's just people having zero product sense, or an idea of what it means to target more than 0.01% of the market. The last comment said that Signal's problem is that it's mobile-first, which, how does someone even think that a messaging app should be anything other than mobile-first?
- lrvick 9mo agoHaving Google and Apple apps is fine. Having that be the only option, and the recommended option for high risk use cases is unforgivable.
- stavros 9mo agoThose aren't the only two options. You can buy a non-Google Android phone and install the APK on it.
- fsflover 9mo agoHow do I run Signal on my Librem 5?
- stavros 9mo agoYou write an OS/2 emulator for it and use the OS/2 version of Signal, of course. How else?
- JCattheATM 9mo agoUse something like gurk[0] [0] https://github.com/boxdot/gurk-rs https://github.com/boxdot/gurk-rs
- lrvick 9mo ago
- fasterik 9mo ago>Moxie Marlinspike sounds like some 90s intelligence guy’s understanding of what an appealing name to hacker groups would sound like. Put a guy like that as so-called creator of some encryption protocol for messaging and promote the app like it’s for secret conversations and you think people won’t be suspicious? It screams honeypot like nothing else. This criticism has absolutely zero substance and honestly just reads like paranoid rambling. The Signal protocol has been independently formally analyzed [1] and has no known security issues. [1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013 https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013
- fsflover 9mo agoIt's not about the protocol but other sides of the design. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38555810 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38555810
- fasterik 9mo agoThe example you linked is about push notifications in general, nothing specific to the Signal app. If the concern is that your OS is compromised or spying on you, that's not something E2E encryption can protect against, whether it's Signal or any other app.
- fsflover 9mo ago> nothing specific to the Signal app The specific part is that Signal forces Google and Apple on its users, and forces the specific kind of push notifications, too.
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- JCattheATM 9mo agoSignal works fine on degoogled LineageOS, so I'm not sure that's true.
- kfreds 9mo agoHe IS a hacker from the 90s. It’s an assumed name. Plenty of hackers from the 90s have pseudonyms. > so-called creator of some encryption protocol All evidence points to him being one of the protocol’s designers, along with Trevor Perrin. I’ve met both of them. The first time I met Moxie and talked about axolotl (as it was called back then) was in 2014. Moxie and Trevor strike me as having more integrity and conviction than most. There is no doubt in my mind that they are real and genuine. Interestingly enough, some of the work Trevor did related to Signal’s cryptography was later used by Jason Donenfeld in the design of WireGuard. > It screams honeypot like nothing else. As you can see there is plenty of evidence suggesting otherwise.