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If there is really a civil war, won't these frequencies just get jammed?
by killingtime74 9mo ago
If there is really a civil war, won't these frequencies just get jammed?
- zmgsabst 9mo agoThe US is huge — you can’t jam everything everywhere. Talking about just cities, you still can’t jam everything everywhere. But yes, targeted suppression/oppression (depending on your allegiance) will almost certainly use jamming — in fact, I’ve spoken with some Antifa about how they jam EMS frequencies at their events.
- p0w3n3d 9mo agoThis reminds me the way the software was distributed in eastern countries when there was no internet. People went to market to meet other people, and they were peddling/colporting (look up the term in French) cassettes with the software. The same can happen now - people would walk down the streets to certain places, to become hubs of information, but with no physical contact. Of course those places would be were the jammers would head to. Actually this sounds like a good theme for book... however as long as I live on this world, I've noticed that if I invent something, there are already two people on the internet who have invented it already, so... please give me the title :)
- LeratoAustini 9mo agoTo save others the search: Colportage is the distribution of publications, books, and religious tracts by carriers called "colporteurs" or "colporters"
- bluebarbet 9mo ago"Colporter" is not an especially fancy word, it just means "to peddle" in English.
- DicIfTEx 9mo agoAnd for anything you really need to keep hidden, there's always culportage.
- thetoon 9mo ago> look up the term in French Wasn't that also called SneakerNet, back in the time? We used it in western Europe as well (both term and distribution method)
- frutiger 9mo agoAlso, amusingly, France is most definitively in Western Europe, so I’m a bit confused about GP’s link between Eastern Europe and “go look up this French word”.
- kyletns 9mo agoWhy would anti-fascists jam EMS frequencies?
- zmgsabst 9mo ago[flagged]
- MSFT_Edging 9mo agoWhat's the nice, HN friendly way of telling someone "you're full of shit"?
- mystraline 9mo agoIve used "Your mouth is moving. Might want to see to that."
- killingtime74 9mo ago"Please provide a source" is my go to
- squibonpig 9mo agoWon't someone think of our boys in blue?!?!
- futuraperdita 9mo agoThe point to any preparation for any adverse event is to prepare more than one solution to a problem, and to have a solid understanding of your actual adversary. By asking that question, you have already defeated yourself on the sake of whomever you have decided is the dominant force. This is the sort of nihilism that stops us from meaningful change, because we destroy ourselves in either sloth or despair. Won't they get jammed? Yes, absolutely, on local levels. This is electronic warfare and happens in any actual battlespace. Does that mean it is completely useless in emergency situations (of which civil war is one)? No.
- theshrike79 9mo agoMeshtastic works on commercial frequencies. If they block those then a good number of non-wifi/bluetooth devices will just stop working. Including, but not limited to: garage door openers, some (older) car key fobs, some RC equipment, wireless weather sensors, remotely readable metering devices (electricity, water) and a crapton of other things.
- u8080 9mo agoYou could just flood Meshtastic channel with valid traffic specifically
- theshrike79 9mo agoThen people's garages would start randomly opening? =)
- NoiseBert69 9mo agoAll Semtech LoRa modems are wide-range modems. You can switch to basically every other frequency. An idea would be to move to SX128x modems with work around 2.4GHz. You recycle Wifi-gear for directional stuff. This also enabled you to hide below Wifi traffic. Still jammable - but much much more difficult.
- sneak 9mo agoNah. The citywide meshtastic grids that exist presently operate on one single frequency citywide. If you shut off the internet and jam that frequency, nobody can talk to anyone else to coordinate about a new frequency (which is then also just trivially jammed).
- theshrike79 9mo agoAnd then every single other device on that frequency is also useless Is the pain of that worth disabling communication?
- torginus 9mo agoJamming is a double-edged sword, there are common frequency bands used by everyones equipment like 2.4GHz, 5GHz or the ISM band. If you jam those indiscriminately, your own stuff stops working as well.
- mrguyorama 9mo agoAny actual adversarial situation is a constant back and forth of "This works, whoops now it's countered, well now we countered that" forever. Things don't stand still in "war". There's no "Solution" that will not be attacked, and there's no attack that cannot be worked around.