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Isn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think t

Isn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think twice before drawing their weapons on people?

soulofmischief 9mo ago
Renee Good was killed after dropping off her six-year-old child at school. I agree with you, but people like her have children and are not trying to die in the street just for looking at somebody the wrong way. And it's one thing to open carry, it's another thing to become a trained and confident marksmen. And as someone who has had half a dozen police officers simultaneously pointing guns at my head, mistaking me for someone else in public, once you're in that situation, escalation is only going to lead to death. Out here, police shoot you if your hand goes anywhere near your waist.
bb88 9mo ago
>Isn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? It was for establishing well ordered militias. They could be used to help defend the country in a time of war. > Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think twice before drawing their weapons on people? Most of the demonstrators believe that "the pen is mightier than the sword", and non-violence is the way to achieve political means. (Ghandi, MLK jr.) When the peace-niks start amassing guns, that's when you have a tipping point in this country.
- hrimfaxi 9mo ago
  What's the definition of a well-ordered militia? A bunch of farmers that go shooting together?
  - bb88 9mo ago
    A bunch of farmers that go shooting drunk. /s Seriously though, everyone back in the 1700s realized that all Americans were American. I'm not sure that's true any more.
    - hrimfaxi 9mo ago
      > Seriously though, everyone back in the 1700s realized that all Americans were American. I'm not sure that's true any more. What was an American in the 1700s? A person born in America?
    - akho 9mo ago
      I think the most you can say is that they recognized that many male propertied white protestant Americans are American. Maybe some more qualifiers are necessary.
  - futuraperdita 9mo ago
    Alexander Hamilton explains his definition of what "well-regulated" is - and the purpose of a citizen militia - in contrast to the standing army in the Federalist Papers, No. 29. Most of the idea has become much more federalized than intended with the National Guard, but it has long since been misused for its intended purpose.
theshrike79 9mo ago
Because the pro 2nd amendment people with "Don't tread on me" tattoos are going to "Tread on me harder, daddy!".

soulofmischief 9mo ago

Renee Good was killed after dropping off her six-year-old child at school. I agree with you, but people like her have children and are not trying to die in the street just for looking at somebody the wrong way. And it's one thing to open carry, it's another thing to become a trained and confident marksmen. And as someone who has had half a dozen police officers simultaneously pointing guns at my head, mistaking me for someone else in public, once you're in that situation, escalation is only going to lead to death. Out here, police shoot you if your hand goes anywhere near your waist.

bb88 9mo ago

>Isn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? It was for establishing well ordered militias. They could be used to help defend the country in a time of war. > Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think twice before drawing their weapons on people? Most of the demonstrators believe that "the pen is mightier than the sword", and non-violence is the way to achieve political means. (Ghandi, MLK jr.) When the peace-niks start amassing guns, that's when you have a tipping point in this country.

hrimfaxi 9mo ago
What's the definition of a well-ordered militia? A bunch of farmers that go shooting together?
- bb88 9mo ago
  A bunch of farmers that go shooting drunk. /s Seriously though, everyone back in the 1700s realized that all Americans were American. I'm not sure that's true any more.
  - hrimfaxi 9mo ago
    > Seriously though, everyone back in the 1700s realized that all Americans were American. I'm not sure that's true any more. What was an American in the 1700s? A person born in America?
  - akho 9mo ago
    I think the most you can say is that they recognized that many male propertied white protestant Americans are American. Maybe some more qualifiers are necessary.
- futuraperdita 9mo ago
  Alexander Hamilton explains his definition of what "well-regulated" is - and the purpose of a citizen militia - in contrast to the standing army in the Federalist Papers, No. 29. Most of the idea has become much more federalized than intended with the National Guard, but it has long since been misused for its intended purpose.

theshrike79 9mo ago

Because the pro 2nd amendment people with "Don't tread on me" tattoos are going to "Tread on me harder, daddy!".