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Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so

by torlok 9mo ago

Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.

kingkawn 9mo ago
The interventions fail only after enormous slaughter, which people are understandably keen to not be subject to
- anigbrowl 9mo ago
  As if compliance had such a great success rate.
  - computerthings 9mo ago
    [dead]
bb88 9mo ago
No, just blast the hell out of the ISM bands on which they operate. This seem certainly feasible for a military apparatus the size of the US.
- torlok 9mo ago
  I'm sure everybody's going to stay on ISM bands to remain compliant with government regulations while being attacked by the government.
  - ozfive 9mo ago
    This deserves a /s
- esseph 9mo ago
  The economic impact of that would be massive re: business operational impact. Directional radios would still win out on p2p links.
kevin_thibedeau 9mo ago
The intervention part is an administrative problem the military isn't designed for. For the core mission of collecting intelligence, eliminating targets, and occupying land, the US has an unrivaled track record over the last 85 years.
subscribed 9mo ago
Here's a funny example of making it harder to find: https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178 https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178
- bb88 9mo ago
  Triangulation is damn easy. If the US can put on bomb on a suspect satellite phone user back in the 2000's (and they did!), they can certainly send a bomb on that today. Sat phones during the second gulf war (maybe even the first) became a liability. The transmission lit them up like a god damn beacon saying, "Bomb goes here!".
  - fragmede 9mo ago
    Triangulation, the math isn't the hard part. Where exactly on the continental United States are you proposing dropping ordinance? MOVE in 1985 was controversial even back then.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    Good luck if your mesh network is on 2.4/5/6ghz. It'll blend in with background radiation from home routers.
    - ssl-3 9mo ago
      It can have challenges, but triangulation can be done with signals that have recognizable patterns or features -- even in a sea of other co-channel noise sources. If you can observe the signal strength of your neighbor's home router while standing next to your own even if the signals differ in strength by some orders of magnitude (which is easy on Android; no idea bout iOS), then anyone else can also do the same.
- 1shooner 9mo ago
  >the more people who use it, the more robust and far-reaching and reliable it gets. I was under the opposite impression, that meshtastic's whole problem is that it doesn't scale well at all.
ungreased0675 9mo ago
You must have missed the S-tier op that went down January 3rd.
- torlok 9mo ago
  That was a single mission planned over months. We're talking about a continuous subjudagtion.

by torlok 9mo ago

Then get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.

kingkawn 9mo ago

The interventions fail only after enormous slaughter, which people are understandably keen to not be subject to

anigbrowl 9mo ago
As if compliance had such a great success rate.
- computerthings 9mo ago
  [dead]

bb88 9mo ago

No, just blast the hell out of the ISM bands on which they operate. This seem certainly feasible for a military apparatus the size of the US.

torlok 9mo ago
I'm sure everybody's going to stay on ISM bands to remain compliant with government regulations while being attacked by the government.
- ozfive 9mo ago
  This deserves a /s
esseph 9mo ago
The economic impact of that would be massive re: business operational impact. Directional radios would still win out on p2p links.

kevin_thibedeau 9mo ago

The intervention part is an administrative problem the military isn't designed for. For the core mission of collecting intelligence, eliminating targets, and occupying land, the US has an unrivaled track record over the last 85 years.

subscribed 9mo ago

Here's a funny example of making it harder to find: https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178 https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178

bb88 9mo ago
Triangulation is damn easy. If the US can put on bomb on a suspect satellite phone user back in the 2000's (and they did!), they can certainly send a bomb on that today. Sat phones during the second gulf war (maybe even the first) became a liability. The transmission lit them up like a god damn beacon saying, "Bomb goes here!".
- fragmede 9mo ago
  Triangulation, the math isn't the hard part. Where exactly on the continental United States are you proposing dropping ordinance? MOVE in 1985 was controversial even back then.
- esseph 9mo ago
  Good luck if your mesh network is on 2.4/5/6ghz. It'll blend in with background radiation from home routers.
  - ssl-3 9mo ago
    It can have challenges, but triangulation can be done with signals that have recognizable patterns or features -- even in a sea of other co-channel noise sources. If you can observe the signal strength of your neighbor's home router while standing next to your own even if the signals differ in strength by some orders of magnitude (which is easy on Android; no idea bout iOS), then anyone else can also do the same.
1shooner 9mo ago
>the more people who use it, the more robust and far-reaching and reliable it gets. I was under the opposite impression, that meshtastic's whole problem is that it doesn't scale well at all.

ungreased0675 9mo ago

You must have missed the S-tier op that went down January 3rd.

torlok 9mo ago
That was a single mission planned over months. We're talking about a continuous subjudagtion.