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Perhaps Americans should start preparing with Meshtastic / Meshcore, just in case....... ..,..the Emperor seems hellbent on bringing martial law into effect.
by subscribed 10mo ago
Perhaps Americans should start preparing with Meshtastic / Meshcore, just in case.......
..,..the Emperor seems hellbent on bringing martial law into effect.
- codezero 10mo agoThe military can very easily find and eliminate repeaters very quickly and almost certainly would.
- torlok 10mo agoThen get more? Sounds like a fantastic way to waste military resources. I have no clue why this mythical US military might and efficiency idea persists after so many failed interventions.
- kingkawn 10mo agoThe interventions fail only after enormous slaughter, which people are understandably keen to not be subject to
- anigbrowl 10mo agoAs if compliance had such a great success rate.
- computerthings 10mo ago[dead]
- bb88 10mo agoNo, just blast the hell out of the ISM bands on which they operate. This seem certainly feasible for a military apparatus the size of the US.
- torlok 10mo agoI'm sure everybody's going to stay on ISM bands to remain compliant with government regulations while being attacked by the government.
- ozfive 10mo agoThis deserves a /s
- esseph 10mo agoThe economic impact of that would be massive re: business operational impact. Directional radios would still win out on p2p links.
- kevin_thibedeau 10mo agoThe intervention part is an administrative problem the military isn't designed for. For the core mission of collecting intelligence, eliminating targets, and occupying land, the US has an unrivaled track record over the last 85 years.
- subscribed 10mo agoHere's a funny example of making it harder to find: https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178 https://youtu.be/W_F4rEaRduk?t=178
- bb88 10mo agoTriangulation is damn easy. If the US can put on bomb on a suspect satellite phone user back in the 2000's (and they did!), they can certainly send a bomb on that today. Sat phones during the second gulf war (maybe even the first) became a liability. The transmission lit them up like a god damn beacon saying, "Bomb goes here!".
- fragmede 10mo agoTriangulation, the math isn't the hard part. Where exactly on the continental United States are you proposing dropping ordinance? MOVE in 1985 was controversial even back then.
- esseph 10mo agoGood luck if your mesh network is on 2.4/5/6ghz. It'll blend in with background radiation from home routers.
- ssl-3 10mo agoIt can have challenges, but triangulation can be done with signals that have recognizable patterns or features -- even in a sea of other co-channel noise sources. If you can observe the signal strength of your neighbor's home router while standing next to your own even if the signals differ in strength by some orders of magnitude (which is easy on Android; no idea bout iOS), then anyone else can also do the same.
- 1shooner 10mo ago>the more people who use it, the more robust and far-reaching and reliable it gets. I was under the opposite impression, that meshtastic's whole problem is that it doesn't scale well at all.
- ungreased0675 10mo agoYou must have missed the S-tier op that went down January 3rd.
- torlok 10mo agoThat was a single mission planned over months. We're talking about a continuous subjudagtion.
- trhway 10mo agoRepeater coupled with [autonomous] drone to change [hard-to-get-to rooftop, treetop and the likes] location every 10 minutes like in a combat zone.
- vfclists 10mo agoIsn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think twice before drawing their weapons on people?
- soulofmischief 10mo agoRenee Good was killed after dropping off her six-year-old child at school. I agree with you, but people like her have children and are not trying to die in the street just for looking at somebody the wrong way. And it's one thing to open carry, it's another thing to become a trained and confident marksmen. And as someone who has had half a dozen police officers simultaneously pointing guns at my head, mistaking me for someone else in public, once you're in that situation, escalation is only going to lead to death. Out here, police shoot you if your hand goes anywhere near your waist.
- bb88 10mo ago>Isn't stopping abuses of the power of the military the reason for the 2nd Amendment? It was for establishing well ordered militias. They could be used to help defend the country in a time of war. > Why don't the people in Minnesota go open carry and let ICE agents think twice before drawing their weapons on people? Most of the demonstrators believe that "the pen is mightier than the sword", and non-violence is the way to achieve political means. (Ghandi, MLK jr.) When the peace-niks start amassing guns, that's when you have a tipping point in this country.
- subscribed 10mo agoI don't think it's going to be military killing a Americans. As of now it more looks like federal government. Nevertheless, sure, in the rural areas, but less so in the cities, reflections and bending of the waves make it much harder, and a single repeater with solar panel and battery could plausibly be made under $50.
- bb88 10mo agoA military won't be killing all Americans, just the ones it can label as "terrorists" to the people who elected them.
- ozfive 10mo agoThey are being made. I have a four node network already in my suburb. There is a software project that is written in Python that essentially turns lorawan nodes into BBSs similar to briar.
- subscribed 10mo agoThat's a great news!
- ozfive 10mo agoMaybe ham repeaters but when we are talking lorawan they will have a hell of a time taking the networks down that are already established. Just in my suburb we have more than 6000 nodes because of the helium network.
- esseph 10mo agoIt would be futile. It's a big country full of 340,000,000 people. Great way to waste resources though.
- culi 10mo agoThey're incredibly easy to build and even disguise as lawn ornaments as Benn Jordan showed in a recent video. When it costs us less money and time to build them than it costs the gov't to find/destroy them it's a worthy investment
- bigfatkitten 10mo agoAt no time from 2001-2021 did the Taliban find themselves short on VHF repeaters. If one gets taken down, put up another one.
- aaravchen 10mo agoWhy would they bother? Super low bandwidth unencrypted communication they can triangulate if they really need to sounds like a perfect thing to let keep running and just monitor. Then you can triangulate just the "seditious" people who incriminate themselves.
- aaravchen 10mo agoI guess if you were relying on the meshtastic network as a backbone network replacement, which I'm not sure much of anyone is even currently setup for and I've heard isnt really feasible with the naive meshtastic toy implementation, you could be sending encrypted traffic. But then you have to have pre-shared encryption keys for participants and it will significantly lose it's usefulness for adding new adopters.
- NoiseBert69 10mo agoYou can build a Meshcore/-tastic station for less than 15€ if you are into PCB design. It's like fighting against off-the-shelf drones.
- monkaiju 10mo agoI looked a bit into meshtastic and was told that if a node was physically compromised then messages could be intercepted. That cant be right, right?
- bb88 10mo agoWhy bother? Just jam the fucking hell out of it. Most critical infrastructure is not on the ISM bands.
- esseph 10mo agoA lot of things are. You could theoretically even shut down airplane printers in the cockpit if the jamming was strong enough. You'd be surprised the things that are tied to ism wifi and bluetooth
- subscribed 10mo agoFrom what I understand no, the relay node has no access to the messages. If you compromise sending or receiving node then sure, of course.
- idiotsecant 10mo agoThere was a well known crypto weakness, CVE-2025-52464, that allowed man in the middle decryption of meshtastic traffic. It was fixed by a firmware patch that improved crypto discipline.
- Aachen 10mo agoBad randomness in generating keys, for anyone else wondering
- TacticalCoder 10mo ago[flagged]
- idiotsecant 10mo agoMeshtastic is both extremely range limited and trivial to DDOS. It's a fun toy protocol but it's not resistant to nation state disruption at all.
- lukeinator42 10mo agoIt's only line-of-sight, but isn't the range 10s-100s of kilometres in open areas? Some repeaters on hills/mountains etc. could connect large areas potentially.
- fragmede 10mo agoIt's trivially jammable, as evidenced by the network not working at popular events such as Defcon with default firmware settings.
- nunobrito 10mo agoNope. Uses only one frequency that quickly gets crowded and if you are in urban areas you'd be lucky to get more than 200 meters. It is a toy. A cheap Quangsheng/Baofeng for 20 euros can reach a few kilometers in urban area, use multiple frequencies and go for 100 kilometers easily on LoS. They even reach Australia from Europe when using a wire antenna large enough.
- NoiseBert69 10mo agoI've tested >60km links with Meshtastic without problems and had plenty of SNR left.
- devsda 10mo agoDo you think the govt will not force Google to revoke developer certs once developer verification is in place to prevent sideloading or not order Google/Apple to forcibly uninstall them ? These are great tools in American toolkit if it wants to do a regime change in other countries. Their effectiveness within America are questionable.
- aaravchen 10mo agoThe government isn't going to hand to do that, that's already what Google's planning to do anyway. They'd just have to tell Google to take down certain apps so they're no longer on the Google "approved" list, which would deactivate them on your device during next network connection (like most Google "services" on Android, I'm sure these too would bypass the system VPN as well) as well as making them unavailable from the sole allowed download source. You know, like they did with ICE Block already.
- theshrike79 10mo agoThere are fully hardware based meshtastic devices: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/realizing-meshtastics-promise-t-deck/ https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/realizing-meshtastics... The Government can't revoke the certs on those.
- aaravchen 10mo agoIt seems very unlikely the US would take the approach of shutting down the internet to prevent communication. All the internet infrastructure is hardwired for US surveillance data collection, so it's already a perfect honeypot. Why shutdown your honey pot? More likely to be useful in the US is communication that is actually private, secure, and not centralized, but the underlying communication channel if unlikely to be relevant. Signal for example would almost certainly have thier IP blocked in the area, or their servers taken down because their completely centralized and therefore easy to block. Realistically something that can leverage an adversarial network to implement mesh communication that can be obfuscated (so it's not easily detected and blocked) is more useful in the US.