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Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... All of these isolation sovereignty iniatives are wi

Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... All of these isolation sovereignty iniatives are window dressing to the bigger problem that the EU and other countries are massively dependent on proprietaey US-centric software stacks.

cperciva 9mo ago
Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... Not as much as you might think. The most important component -- Nitro -- basically runs out of Germany.
- petcat 9mo ago
  The AWS EC2 virtualization team invented and maintains the Nitro system. And that team is overwhelmingly based in Seattle, WA USA.
  - cperciva 9mo ago
    You sure about that? Maybe it's just a coincidence but the low-level people I've talked to are almost never based in Seattle.
    - my123 9mo ago
      The Nitro Hypervisor team is (mostly) in Berlin :) The Nitro _card_ teams are elsewhere
      - cperciva 9mo ago
        Fair enough. The comment was about software, and to me the Nitro hypervisor is software while the Nitro card is hardware and firmware. ;-)
- mike_d 9mo ago
  You mean the same Germany that uses its domestic access to the bargain basement cloud providers like Hetzner and Contabo to de-anonymize Tor users for international law enforcement? Or the Germany that bought Crypto AG along with the CIA to backdoor encryption hardware?
- meeshmuesh 9mo ago
  Networking, firewalls, all infra OS including encryption is developed in the USA. Nitro is just one component and not necessarily the most important
aforwardslash 9mo ago
> Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... Id argue that very few software components are written (let alone maintained) by US staff. This is basically another major player (there are other sovereign clouds) reading the writing on the wall and doing what is necessary to avoid losing business or being irradiated from the market. CloudFlare CEO, take notice. Look how the big boys do business and maybe learn a thing or two.
- zmgsabst 9mo ago
  CloudFlare already does business that way — eg, enforcing local laws inside the country. CloudFlare’s objection to Italy’s demands were that Italy demanded CloudFlare censor websites outside of Italy for everyone, globally. CloudFlare refused to do so and said they’d stop providing services to Italy. Do you realize what you’re asking for in ClodFlare listening to Italy? The US will get total say over what content can be hosted anywhere in Europe (by CloudFlare), due to that precedent being set (and their greater ability to coerce ClodFlare). Your comment is contradictory: you phrased it as respecting sovereignty, but your actual demand is that CloudFlare allow the US to enforce edicts on the EU.

cperciva 9mo ago

Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... Not as much as you might think. The most important component -- Nitro -- basically runs out of Germany.

petcat 9mo ago
The AWS EC2 virtualization team invented and maintains the Nitro system. And that team is overwhelmingly based in Seattle, WA USA.
- cperciva 9mo ago
  You sure about that? Maybe it's just a coincidence but the low-level people I've talked to are almost never based in Seattle.
  - my123 9mo ago
    The Nitro Hypervisor team is (mostly) in Berlin :) The Nitro _card_ teams are elsewhere
    - cperciva 9mo ago
      Fair enough. The comment was about software, and to me the Nitro hypervisor is software while the Nitro card is hardware and firmware. ;-)
mike_d 9mo ago
You mean the same Germany that uses its domestic access to the bargain basement cloud providers like Hetzner and Contabo to de-anonymize Tor users for international law enforcement? Or the Germany that bought Crypto AG along with the CIA to backdoor encryption hardware?
meeshmuesh 9mo ago
Networking, firewalls, all infra OS including encryption is developed in the USA. Nitro is just one component and not necessarily the most important

aforwardslash 9mo ago

> Sovereign-by-design but still runs a software stack that is largely written and maintained by a US staff... Id argue that very few software components are written (let alone maintained) by US staff. This is basically another major player (there are other sovereign clouds) reading the writing on the wall and doing what is necessary to avoid losing business or being irradiated from the market. CloudFlare CEO, take notice. Look how the big boys do business and maybe learn a thing or two.

zmgsabst 9mo ago
CloudFlare already does business that way — eg, enforcing local laws inside the country. CloudFlare’s objection to Italy’s demands were that Italy demanded CloudFlare censor websites outside of Italy for everyone, globally. CloudFlare refused to do so and said they’d stop providing services to Italy. Do you realize what you’re asking for in ClodFlare listening to Italy? The US will get total say over what content can be hosted anywhere in Europe (by CloudFlare), due to that precedent being set (and their greater ability to coerce ClodFlare). Your comment is contradictory: you phrased it as respecting sovereignty, but your actual demand is that CloudFlare allow the US to enforce edicts on the EU.