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It's because there is extremism both on the left and right: the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back, and the right think

It's because there is extremism both on the left and right: the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back, and the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants. Both of them are right: unless there's a civil war or moderate president (which probably needs ranked choice voting) the most probable scenario is that one of the 2 extremes succeeds. I also miss the old HN btw and wish that there wouldn't be any right/left politics, just the old classic libertarian property/privacy/opennes right debates, but it looks like those days are gone.

therobots927 9mo ago
Yeah, remember when Biden deployed a personal army on red states and threatened to cancel the election? What world do you live in where you would expect equally extreme behavior from a democrat president?
- xiphias2 9mo ago
  He didn't have to if he could just get Trump be thrown out of social media.
hairofadog 9mo ago
> the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back It would probably help if Trump didn't fantasize about this publicly all the time > the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants The left will "take it" by being elected, if they are in fact elected. That's the extremist threat the right is worried about? What does "keep it using immigrants" mean?
- xiphias2 9mo ago
  It's quite simple, some states want to allow voting without identity cards that prove that they are citizens of the country. I don't know of any other country that would allow it, but I know other countries where people in power used other ,,tricks'' to increase the chance of being reelected
  - hairofadog 9mo ago
    There's no evidence of noncitizens voting in meaningful numbers, but I'm aware that's a popular right-wing talking point.
    - xiphias2 9mo ago
      You changed what I wrote: it's not about non-citizens voting or not, it's about requiring identification by law at polling, which is required in every other democratic country. As an example in in late 2024 in California Governor Newsom signed SB 1174, which explicitly prohibits local governments (like cities or counties) from passing their own laws to require voter ID.
afavour 9mo ago
This is peak “both sides”. Just today Trump said he thinks there shouldn’t be any midterms. No Democrat is saying anything remotely like that.
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therobots927 9mo ago

Yeah, remember when Biden deployed a personal army on red states and threatened to cancel the election? What world do you live in where you would expect equally extreme behavior from a democrat president?

xiphias2 9mo ago
He didn't have to if he could just get Trump be thrown out of social media.

hairofadog 9mo ago

> the left thinks that the right wants a power grab to stop left from coming back It would probably help if Trump didn't fantasize about this publicly all the time > the right thinks that if they don't keep their power now, the left will take it and keep it using immigrants The left will "take it" by being elected, if they are in fact elected. That's the extremist threat the right is worried about? What does "keep it using immigrants" mean?

xiphias2 9mo ago
It's quite simple, some states want to allow voting without identity cards that prove that they are citizens of the country. I don't know of any other country that would allow it, but I know other countries where people in power used other ,,tricks'' to increase the chance of being reelected
- hairofadog 9mo ago
  There's no evidence of noncitizens voting in meaningful numbers, but I'm aware that's a popular right-wing talking point.
  - xiphias2 9mo ago
    You changed what I wrote: it's not about non-citizens voting or not, it's about requiring identification by law at polling, which is required in every other democratic country. As an example in in late 2024 in California Governor Newsom signed SB 1174, which explicitly prohibits local governments (like cities or counties) from passing their own laws to require voter ID.

afavour 9mo ago

This is peak “both sides”. Just today Trump said he thinks there shouldn’t be any midterms. No Democrat is saying anything remotely like that.

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