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The fact that the US didn't take your attitude and allowed workers from all over the world to come to Silicon Valley and compete with Americans for jobs and hou

The fact that the US didn't take your attitude and allowed workers from all over the world to come to Silicon Valley and compete with Americans for jobs and housing ("compete for housing" being the most ridiculous concept I have ever heard of) is one of the many reasons why SV is in the US and not in Europe.

bflesch 9mo ago
SV is in the US because of heavy government spending to further national interests. And US intelligence community was one of the first to realize that total domination of home computers / smartphones / social media allows them to exert a lot of power. SV took workers from all over the world because these workers were extremely skilled and cheap. They didn't compete with Americans for jobs because there were simply not enough Americans with the needed skills. Foreign tech workers need housing but they don't own land and can't vote in your elections, so the fact housing is bad is 100% on US citizens.
- terminalshort 9mo ago
  1. SV workers are anything but cheap 2. There are plenty of Americans with the skills. I know because I went from never having written any code or having any technical education to full time employment in SV in under a year. 3. Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens and their idiotic policies, but immigrant tech workers absolutely do own land and I know several who do. Plenty of them vote because they are now citizens.
  - joe_mamba 9mo ago
    >Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens >immigrant tech workers absolutely do own land [...] they are now citizens. >Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens Man, I wonder when the realization will kick in.
    - terminalshort 9mo ago
      The realization that a large majority of the electorate is native born and the rules that prevent development existed before the immigrants got here?
      - joe_mamba 9mo ago
        - Are zoning laws affecting only immigrant born population from buying, or simply everyone moving to SF for work? - If the locals are preventing the foreigners to buy housing via zoning laws, then how did those immigrants manage to buy housing like you said? - And once immigrants become citizens and homeowners, are you saying they don't vote for the same zoning laws that protect their housing investment just like the natives? That's where your contradictions are, and this is my last response you get on this discussion, since it's clearly not going anywhere.
        terminalshort 9mo ago
        Let me spell it out for you. This is 100% a stupid regulation issue and has fuck all to do with immigration. If the US had a more restrictive immigration policy the same thing would have happened because so many native born Americans (including myself) moved to SV for high paying jobs. Supply and demand is what it is whether that demand comes from a US citizen or an immigrant.
joe_mamba 9mo ago
>"compete for housing" being the most ridiculous concept I have ever heard of How can I have a productive discussion with someone who doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the reality of housing supply/demand and resulting gentrification? Gee, if only there was a city in the world that's a big tech hub and we could study the effects on its housing market and citizen who don't work in tech and how they're impacted. >is one of t many reasons why SV is in the US and not in Europe I've been to SF and I'm not sure I want the issues I saw there over here. And to correct you, SV is what it is due to the WW2 and cold war military electronics industry rooted in government spending brewing there instead of being bombed to the ground like Europe, plus the financial engineering leavers of the US FED being able to print virtually gold and use that virtual gold to buy everything they ever need to win including foreign competitors and suppliers while offloading the resulting inflation burden onto the rest of the world, or use trade restrictions and military force as the second option to block any potential rising competitors that threaten the existing hegemony.

bflesch 9mo ago

SV is in the US because of heavy government spending to further national interests. And US intelligence community was one of the first to realize that total domination of home computers / smartphones / social media allows them to exert a lot of power. SV took workers from all over the world because these workers were extremely skilled and cheap. They didn't compete with Americans for jobs because there were simply not enough Americans with the needed skills. Foreign tech workers need housing but they don't own land and can't vote in your elections, so the fact housing is bad is 100% on US citizens.

terminalshort 9mo ago
1. SV workers are anything but cheap 2. There are plenty of Americans with the skills. I know because I went from never having written any code or having any technical education to full time employment in SV in under a year. 3. Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens and their idiotic policies, but immigrant tech workers absolutely do own land and I know several who do. Plenty of them vote because they are now citizens.
- joe_mamba 9mo ago
  >Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens >immigrant tech workers absolutely do own land [...] they are now citizens. >Housing issues are 100% the fault of the local US citizens Man, I wonder when the realization will kick in.
  - terminalshort 9mo ago
    The realization that a large majority of the electorate is native born and the rules that prevent development existed before the immigrants got here?
    - joe_mamba 9mo ago
      - Are zoning laws affecting only immigrant born population from buying, or simply everyone moving to SF for work? - If the locals are preventing the foreigners to buy housing via zoning laws, then how did those immigrants manage to buy housing like you said? - And once immigrants become citizens and homeowners, are you saying they don't vote for the same zoning laws that protect their housing investment just like the natives? That's where your contradictions are, and this is my last response you get on this discussion, since it's clearly not going anywhere.
      - terminalshort 9mo ago
        Let me spell it out for you. This is 100% a stupid regulation issue and has fuck all to do with immigration. If the US had a more restrictive immigration policy the same thing would have happened because so many native born Americans (including myself) moved to SV for high paying jobs. Supply and demand is what it is whether that demand comes from a US citizen or an immigrant.

joe_mamba 9mo ago

>"compete for housing" being the most ridiculous concept I have ever heard of How can I have a productive discussion with someone who doesn't know or refuses to acknowledge the reality of housing supply/demand and resulting gentrification? Gee, if only there was a city in the world that's a big tech hub and we could study the effects on its housing market and citizen who don't work in tech and how they're impacted. >is one of t many reasons why SV is in the US and not in Europe I've been to SF and I'm not sure I want the issues I saw there over here. And to correct you, SV is what it is due to the WW2 and cold war military electronics industry rooted in government spending brewing there instead of being bombed to the ground like Europe, plus the financial engineering leavers of the US FED being able to print virtually gold and use that virtual gold to buy everything they ever need to win including foreign competitors and suppliers while offloading the resulting inflation burden onto the rest of the world, or use trade restrictions and military force as the second option to block any potential rising competitors that threaten the existing hegemony.