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1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling.

1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. 2) Check those stats a bit more closely. The vast majority of "deportations" were people turned away at the border.

casey2 9mo ago
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- michaelmrose 9mo ago
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  - sndkdkldl 9mo ago
    I bet houses in your suburb are a million a pop
    - michaelmrose 9mo ago
      City and yes they are expensive because houses in a city are
  - negzero7 9mo ago
    This is disgusting hyperbole. Nazis killed millions of innocent people; a nation enforcing border laws by asking illegals to leave or removing them when they don't is not that.
    - michaelmrose 9mo ago
      We sent people who committed no crimes to a foreign concentration camp in a country that they aren't from and have killed several including citizens. Our present admin holds that it can detain anyone it merely asserts is illegal without trial or any due process and ship them to such camps or hold them domestically indefinitely in fetid slums that if we fill with the millions they want picked up will become death camps due to illness, climate, privation, lack of medical care. They have variously called for imprisoning and even executing law makers who speak up, shooting protesters, killing them and shutting down journalists who run negative press.
      - negzero7 9mo ago
        They did commit a crime by crossing the border illegally. Illegals are free to leave the country on their own and not deal with any of this, in fact they are paid to do so. The idea that removing people who entered America illegally and sending them back is the same as systematically exterminating an entire race of humans is so dangerous and makes any discussion with people who think like you such a waste of time. It's rhetoric like yours that encourage people like the Tyler Robinsons or that sniper who attacked the ice facility.
        muwtyhg 9mo ago
        > They did commit a crime What was the reasoning Hitler used to deport Jews and other "undesirables" to Polish concentration camps? Was it legal? If so, maybe we shouldn't try to equate "What is legal/possible" with "what is moral/good". It can be legal and possible, and still very inhumane and evil. The Nazis prove that, don't they? > and sending them back We didn't "send them back". We sent them to a third place. A very bad place. Why are you ignoring that when the person you are replying to was specifically mentioning it? > It's rhetoric like yours that encourage people like the Tyler Robinsons or that sniper who attacked the ice facility. There is absolutely zero evidence of this. Tyler could have a very specific grievance with Charlie Kirk's rhetoric without being motivated by other people calling Trump and MAGA Nazis or Facists.
        michaelmrose 9mo ago
        A crime against the citizens like robbery not a civil wrong like overstaying their visa. We have a different interest in enforcing one vs the other which I think you know. You are suggesting we can't call out what is actually happening in case the proud boys running around kidnapping and murdering people get hurt as if people will be inspired to hurt them because of online rhetoric and not because of the kidnapping and murder. Want to keep ICE from getting hurt? Roll back enforcement to 2010 norms and start rolling in greater penalties from hurtful to ruinous for employee illegals with 5 years in jail for all management/HR/accounting who lie about it. Start at 10% of payroll paid to illegal labor increasing to 1000% over whatever timeline would allow companies to transition from illegal labor. Making it economical to hire illegal labor with a slap on the wrist or no penalty then punishing laborers for adapting over decades to this situation is insane.
  - cheese4242 9mo ago
    Godwin's Law invoked in record time. Such hyperbole is not conductive to real discussion.
    - michaelmrose 9mo ago
      Literal Nazi stuff "These people are akin the mold growing upon a rotting city-state economy. They have to be removed." --our poster "humanity suffers today under Jewish parasitism" --Adolf Hitler It is this fake injury or mis-assignment of blame for real harm that serves as justification for actual crimes against humanity be they at CEDOT or Dachau Immigrants aren't hurting us by existing.
cheese4242 9mo ago
Would you support deporting people who are criminals? Or have no intention of ever working and just want to live off various welfare programs? Trying to find some common ground here.
- idle_zealot 9mo ago
  Nope. Access to food, water, shelter, and freedom of movement are fundamental human rights. I'm not a proponent of executing useless eaters. If you commit a crime with a prison sentence then you serve that sentence where you committed the crime.
  - cheese4242 9mo ago
    Thanks for taking the time to clarify your position. So if China or some other country decided to send 10 million people here for whatever reason, you think our official policy should be to welcome then in and provide them food, shelter, etc...? What about 100 million people? Should they also be given citizenship and right to vote in addition to food/shelter?
    - idle_zealot 9mo ago
      The only issue would be logistics. Getting supporting infrastructure and housing set up. But yeah, ultimately. More hands, more consumers. Why wouldn't we want as many citizens as possible, we certainly have the land for it.
      - cheese4242 9mo ago
        I wonder in such a case if more populous countries like India or China could in theory send over 100 million+ people to our country over the course of a decade, and then once those people are citizens, legally vote for the US to be annexed by China, etc.. You could conquer a country without a single shot fired.
        idle_zealot 9mo ago
palmotea 9mo ago
> 1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. I don't think that's a policy that would get majoritarian support in the US. The only people who can and should get deported are those who are not already not authorized to be here. If you don't deport them, it's functionally equivalent to an open-borders policy. Do you want more MAGA? Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. What you're proposing is also roughly analogous to a policy of not evicting squatters. If someone breaks into your house and decides to start living in one of your bedrooms, are you going to want them out or give them a key? The squatter is a person too, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling.
- comrh 9mo ago
  There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that.
  - palmotea 9mo ago
    > There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that. What the GGP was advocating was much broader than that. What's sympathetic about the Dreamers is the non-consensual nature of their position (their parents took them here) and many of them have little to no connection to the country they'd be deported to. That logic doesn't apply to, say, the 3.5 million illegal immigrants that arrived between 2021 and 2023 (https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/ https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-...), but those are people the GGP would "document not deport."
- idle_zealot 9mo ago
  > Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it. And I don't think I can enumerate the ways in which an occupied house are different from a country and unsuitable for the metaphor you're trying.
stuffn 9mo ago
Cute. 1. Entering a country without proper documentation is a crime. Therefore all "undocumented immigration" is by definition criminal. 2. Removing criminals is paramount to a safe society and a justice system that is respected. 3. "Documenting them and letting them live" undermines legal immigrants who likely worked very hard to integrate culturally, establish themselves, and do the proper LEGAL paperwork. These legal immigrants have stringent reporting requirements, need to be careful about even minor crimes (excessive speeding tickets even!) etc. How is your proposal remotely fair to them? I don't understand why this is a controversial opinion at all. I have yet to meet a legal immigrant that isn't okay with booting anyone that isn't legal out. A country without border control is NOT a country.
- idle_zealot 9mo ago
  > "Documenting them and letting them live" undermines legal immigrants who likely worked very hard to integrate culturally, establish themselves, and do the proper LEGAL paperwork. It's a shame those people had to work so hard to be treated like their neighbors. That's not a reason to deny others that treatment though. > I have yet to meet a legal immigrant that isn't okay with booting anyone that isn't legal out. Yeah they tend to skew pretty reactionary. That tends to sort itself out after a generation or two. > A country without border control is NOT a country. I didn't say we shouldn't have border security. In what universe is a goon squad going door to door checking for undesirables "border control"?

casey2 9mo ago

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michaelmrose 9mo ago
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- sndkdkldl 9mo ago
  I bet houses in your suburb are a million a pop
  - michaelmrose 9mo ago
    City and yes they are expensive because houses in a city are
- negzero7 9mo ago
  This is disgusting hyperbole. Nazis killed millions of innocent people; a nation enforcing border laws by asking illegals to leave or removing them when they don't is not that.
  - michaelmrose 9mo ago
    We sent people who committed no crimes to a foreign concentration camp in a country that they aren't from and have killed several including citizens. Our present admin holds that it can detain anyone it merely asserts is illegal without trial or any due process and ship them to such camps or hold them domestically indefinitely in fetid slums that if we fill with the millions they want picked up will become death camps due to illness, climate, privation, lack of medical care. They have variously called for imprisoning and even executing law makers who speak up, shooting protesters, killing them and shutting down journalists who run negative press.
    - negzero7 9mo ago
      They did commit a crime by crossing the border illegally. Illegals are free to leave the country on their own and not deal with any of this, in fact they are paid to do so. The idea that removing people who entered America illegally and sending them back is the same as systematically exterminating an entire race of humans is so dangerous and makes any discussion with people who think like you such a waste of time. It's rhetoric like yours that encourage people like the Tyler Robinsons or that sniper who attacked the ice facility.
      - muwtyhg 9mo ago
        > They did commit a crime What was the reasoning Hitler used to deport Jews and other "undesirables" to Polish concentration camps? Was it legal? If so, maybe we shouldn't try to equate "What is legal/possible" with "what is moral/good". It can be legal and possible, and still very inhumane and evil. The Nazis prove that, don't they? > and sending them back We didn't "send them back". We sent them to a third place. A very bad place. Why are you ignoring that when the person you are replying to was specifically mentioning it? > It's rhetoric like yours that encourage people like the Tyler Robinsons or that sniper who attacked the ice facility. There is absolutely zero evidence of this. Tyler could have a very specific grievance with Charlie Kirk's rhetoric without being motivated by other people calling Trump and MAGA Nazis or Facists.
      - michaelmrose 9mo ago
        A crime against the citizens like robbery not a civil wrong like overstaying their visa. We have a different interest in enforcing one vs the other which I think you know. You are suggesting we can't call out what is actually happening in case the proud boys running around kidnapping and murdering people get hurt as if people will be inspired to hurt them because of online rhetoric and not because of the kidnapping and murder. Want to keep ICE from getting hurt? Roll back enforcement to 2010 norms and start rolling in greater penalties from hurtful to ruinous for employee illegals with 5 years in jail for all management/HR/accounting who lie about it. Start at 10% of payroll paid to illegal labor increasing to 1000% over whatever timeline would allow companies to transition from illegal labor. Making it economical to hire illegal labor with a slap on the wrist or no penalty then punishing laborers for adapting over decades to this situation is insane.
- cheese4242 9mo ago
  Godwin's Law invoked in record time. Such hyperbole is not conductive to real discussion.
  - michaelmrose 9mo ago
    Literal Nazi stuff "These people are akin the mold growing upon a rotting city-state economy. They have to be removed." --our poster "humanity suffers today under Jewish parasitism" --Adolf Hitler It is this fake injury or mis-assignment of blame for real harm that serves as justification for actual crimes against humanity be they at CEDOT or Dachau Immigrants aren't hurting us by existing.

cheese4242 9mo ago

Would you support deporting people who are criminals? Or have no intention of ever working and just want to live off various welfare programs? Trying to find some common ground here.

idle_zealot 9mo ago
Nope. Access to food, water, shelter, and freedom of movement are fundamental human rights. I'm not a proponent of executing useless eaters. If you commit a crime with a prison sentence then you serve that sentence where you committed the crime.
- cheese4242 9mo ago
  Thanks for taking the time to clarify your position. So if China or some other country decided to send 10 million people here for whatever reason, you think our official policy should be to welcome then in and provide them food, shelter, etc...? What about 100 million people? Should they also be given citizenship and right to vote in addition to food/shelter?
  - idle_zealot 9mo ago
    The only issue would be logistics. Getting supporting infrastructure and housing set up. But yeah, ultimately. More hands, more consumers. Why wouldn't we want as many citizens as possible, we certainly have the land for it.
    - cheese4242 9mo ago
      I wonder in such a case if more populous countries like India or China could in theory send over 100 million+ people to our country over the course of a decade, and then once those people are citizens, legally vote for the US to be annexed by China, etc.. You could conquer a country without a single shot fired.
      - idle_zealot 9mo ago

palmotea 9mo ago

> 1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. I don't think that's a policy that would get majoritarian support in the US. The only people who can and should get deported are those who are not already not authorized to be here. If you don't deport them, it's functionally equivalent to an open-borders policy. Do you want more MAGA? Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. What you're proposing is also roughly analogous to a policy of not evicting squatters. If someone breaks into your house and decides to start living in one of your bedrooms, are you going to want them out or give them a key? The squatter is a person too, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling.

comrh 9mo ago
There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that.
- palmotea 9mo ago
  > There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that. What the GGP was advocating was much broader than that. What's sympathetic about the Dreamers is the non-consensual nature of their position (their parents took them here) and many of them have little to no connection to the country they'd be deported to. That logic doesn't apply to, say, the 3.5 million illegal immigrants that arrived between 2021 and 2023 (https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-population-reached-a-record-14-million-in-2023/ https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-...), but those are people the GGP would "document not deport."
idle_zealot 9mo ago
> Because open-borders is how you get more MAGA. Pretending that immigrants are the underlying cause of every societal failure is how you get MAGA. Enabling that big lie bolsters it. And I don't think I can enumerate the ways in which an occupied house are different from a country and unsuitable for the metaphor you're trying.

stuffn 9mo ago

Cute. 1. Entering a country without proper documentation is a crime. Therefore all "undocumented immigration" is by definition criminal. 2. Removing criminals is paramount to a safe society and a justice system that is respected. 3. "Documenting them and letting them live" undermines legal immigrants who likely worked very hard to integrate culturally, establish themselves, and do the proper LEGAL paperwork. These legal immigrants have stringent reporting requirements, need to be careful about even minor crimes (excessive speeding tickets even!) etc. How is your proposal remotely fair to them? I don't understand why this is a controversial opinion at all. I have yet to meet a legal immigrant that isn't okay with booting anyone that isn't legal out. A country without border control is NOT a country.

idle_zealot 9mo ago
> "Documenting them and letting them live" undermines legal immigrants who likely worked very hard to integrate culturally, establish themselves, and do the proper LEGAL paperwork. It's a shame those people had to work so hard to be treated like their neighbors. That's not a reason to deny others that treatment though. > I have yet to meet a legal immigrant that isn't okay with booting anyone that isn't legal out. Yeah they tend to skew pretty reactionary. That tends to sort itself out after a generation or two. > A country without border control is NOT a country. I didn't say we shouldn't have border security. In what universe is a goon squad going door to door checking for undesirables "border control"?