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The perspective that is constantly missing from these one-sided ICE threads on HN and Reddit (but often exposed in videos after the fact): What are the civilian

The perspective that is constantly missing from these one-sided ICE threads on HN and Reddit (but often exposed in videos after the fact): What are the civilians/protesters actually doing in these situations? This kind of "I'm a sovereign citizen, you can't touch me" behavior used to be rightfully belittled by the same crowd only a few years ago.

array_key_first 9mo ago
Yeah, all those sovereign citizens going to their... doctors appointments? Really? This is how far we're shoving the boot up our ass these days? Okay. Look. We have so much evidence of misconduct by ICE that the only reasonable thing to do is just assume there is misconduct. There's no Le Enlightened Centrist take here - these people act like gangs, and have zero respect for Americans citizens or their property.
- newfriend 9mo ago
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  - foldr 9mo ago
    A lot of people are looking for fights. In saner countries the police are trained to deescalate situations like that, not go around picking fights with anyone who’s looking for one.
simianparrot 9mo ago
It’s insane. I watch the actual source videos from as many angles as I can find, and I’ve not once seen this false narrative of unreasonable retribution by LEO’s. Not once when I find the full context.
- jr-throw 9mo ago
  Same. I'm not american, but I see the same thing from the same crowd in my home country. They tend to think it's perfectly ok to lie if it's for a good thing (as defined by themselves).
- datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
  > I’ve not once seen this false narrative of unreasonable retribution Idk man that’s pretty crazy. Sounds kind of like you have no concerns about living in an authoritarian hellhole where state police have absolute authority and are only accountable to the highest executive power. Maybe read some books about how that usually ends up for most people. We’re out here ringing alarm bells so more books don’t have to be written.

array_key_first 9mo ago

Yeah, all those sovereign citizens going to their... doctors appointments? Really? This is how far we're shoving the boot up our ass these days? Okay. Look. We have so much evidence of misconduct by ICE that the only reasonable thing to do is just assume there is misconduct. There's no Le Enlightened Centrist take here - these people act like gangs, and have zero respect for Americans citizens or their property.

newfriend 9mo ago
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- foldr 9mo ago
  A lot of people are looking for fights. In saner countries the police are trained to deescalate situations like that, not go around picking fights with anyone who’s looking for one.

simianparrot 9mo ago

It’s insane. I watch the actual source videos from as many angles as I can find, and I’ve not once seen this false narrative of unreasonable retribution by LEO’s. Not once when I find the full context.

jr-throw 9mo ago
Same. I'm not american, but I see the same thing from the same crowd in my home country. They tend to think it's perfectly ok to lie if it's for a good thing (as defined by themselves).
datsci_est_2015 9mo ago
> I’ve not once seen this false narrative of unreasonable retribution Idk man that’s pretty crazy. Sounds kind of like you have no concerns about living in an authoritarian hellhole where state police have absolute authority and are only accountable to the highest executive power. Maybe read some books about how that usually ends up for most people. We’re out here ringing alarm bells so more books don’t have to be written.