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ICE is going door to door in some neighborhoods looking for non white people. US citizens have been arrested and detained, sometimes violently, and then releas

by deeg 9mo ago

ICE is going door to door in some neighborhoods looking for non white people. US citizens have been arrested and detained, sometimes violently, and then released with no charges. So yes, our way of life is being threatened.

alex43578 9mo ago
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- deeg 9mo ago
  Here is an example of ICE invading a home without a warrant, reported by Fox. [0] That is definitely against our way of life. Your list of crimes is just as prevalent in white people. Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens. Undocumented immigrants commit even fewer violent crimes [1]. So if we're doing house to house searches for criminals we should start with citizens. 0 - https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-family-demands-judicial-warrant-federal-agents-raid-jan-2026 https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-family-demands-judicia... 1 - https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG...
  - 15155 9mo ago
    Not the most compelling case: > Gibson is a 38-year-old Liberian citizen, who has a final immigration removal order dating back to 2009. > Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens Legal ones, yes - they have a lot to lose. Can you please cite any study positing the same for illegal immigrants?
    - deeg 9mo ago
      > Not the most compelling case: Does not matter one bit. Law enforcement may not break down doors without a warrant except in limited cases. This was not one of them. They violated the constitution and our way of life. > Legal ones... I'm guessing you didn't read the cite. It clearly shows that undocumented immigrants commit significantly less crime. Once you read it I'd be interested to know if it changes your opinion at all.
      - alex43578 9mo ago
        The majority of illegal immigrants did commit a crime by virtue of being illegals, violating 8 U.S.C. 1325, so the crime-rate for illegals is certainly higher than non-immigrants right out of the gate. For the less-than-half who have “only” committed civil immigration violations, the point still remains that they are here illegally and are subject to civil immigration proceedings.
        deeg 9mo ago
        So no comment about illegally knocking down doors? No comment about stopping naturalization ceremonies? I'll go back to this: if we wanted to reduce crime, we'd go after citizens first.
        newfriend 9mo ago
        Simply incorrect. That study is yet another that fails to account for the fact that immigration status is not known immediately upon arrest. > Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest. In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned. Given sufficient time for data collection, it appears that illegal immigrants have above average conviction rates for homicide and sexual assault, while they have lower rates for robbery and drugs. [1] There is also the question of how many illegal aliens actually exist in the US, which severely complicates calculation of rates for their population. [1] https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal...
        snark_attack 9mo ago
        The Cato author rebutted that article, and he and CIS traded rebuttals until this post, where the Cato author backs his point up with copious FOIA data. There seems to have been no further follow-up, so this could be the last word on that particular exchange: https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-still-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-crime-texas https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-still-w...
  - newfriend 9mo ago
    Illegal aliens are shown to commit more crimes than citizens when time is given to determine immigration status. [1] > Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest. In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned. Given sufficient time for data collection, it appears that illegal immigrants have above average conviction rates for homicide and sexual assault, while they have lower rates for robbery and drugs. There is also the question of how many illegal aliens actually exist in the US, which severely complicates calculation of rates for their population. Your pdf is a repost of the exact study (Light) cited here as being flawed. [1] https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal...
- tastyface 9mo ago
  "Is the argument that Minnesota isn’t emblematic of those issues or that those issues can’t be investigated because a “non white” community is involved with it?" The issue is that you can’t randomly break down citizen’s doors without a warrant. Minnesota is only targeted because some rightwing TikTok asshole decided to """investigate""" daycare fraud and they wouldn’t let a creepy rando into their facilities for some reason. "As for citizens being detained, interfering with and obstructing a law enforcement operation will get you detained, whether it’s ICE, FBI, or your local cop on a traffic stop." Who were these guys obstructing? Why were they treated like criminals? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigration-target-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigrat... What crime did these tear-gassed children commit? https://news.sky.com/video/fathers-six-children-in-hospital-after-ice-agents-throw-tear-gas-at-their-car-amidst-minneapolis-protests-13494538 https://news.sky.com/video/fathers-six-children-in-hospital-...

by deeg 9mo ago

alex43578 9mo ago

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deeg 9mo ago
Here is an example of ICE invading a home without a warrant, reported by Fox. [0] That is definitely against our way of life. Your list of crimes is just as prevalent in white people. Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens. Undocumented immigrants commit even fewer violent crimes [1]. So if we're doing house to house searches for criminals we should start with citizens. 0 - https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-family-demands-judicial-warrant-federal-agents-raid-jan-2026 https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-family-demands-judicia... 1 - https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG...
- 15155 9mo ago
  Not the most compelling case: > Gibson is a 38-year-old Liberian citizen, who has a final immigration removal order dating back to 2009. > Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens Legal ones, yes - they have a lot to lose. Can you please cite any study positing the same for illegal immigrants?
  - deeg 9mo ago
    > Not the most compelling case: Does not matter one bit. Law enforcement may not break down doors without a warrant except in limited cases. This was not one of them. They violated the constitution and our way of life. > Legal ones... I'm guessing you didn't read the cite. It clearly shows that undocumented immigrants commit significantly less crime. Once you read it I'd be interested to know if it changes your opinion at all.
    - alex43578 9mo ago
      The majority of illegal immigrants did commit a crime by virtue of being illegals, violating 8 U.S.C. 1325, so the crime-rate for illegals is certainly higher than non-immigrants right out of the gate. For the less-than-half who have “only” committed civil immigration violations, the point still remains that they are here illegally and are subject to civil immigration proceedings.
      - deeg 9mo ago
        So no comment about illegally knocking down doors? No comment about stopping naturalization ceremonies? I'll go back to this: if we wanted to reduce crime, we'd go after citizens first.
        newfriend 9mo ago
        Simply incorrect. That study is yet another that fails to account for the fact that immigration status is not known immediately upon arrest. > Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest. In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned. Given sufficient time for data collection, it appears that illegal immigrants have above average conviction rates for homicide and sexual assault, while they have lower rates for robbery and drugs. [1] There is also the question of how many illegal aliens actually exist in the US, which severely complicates calculation of rates for their population. [1] https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal...
        snark_attack 9mo ago
        The Cato author rebutted that article, and he and CIS traded rebuttals until this post, where the Cato author backs his point up with copious FOIA data. There seems to have been no further follow-up, so this could be the last word on that particular exchange: https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-still-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-crime-texas https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-still-w...
- newfriend 9mo ago
  Illegal aliens are shown to commit more crimes than citizens when time is given to determine immigration status. [1] > Studies purporting to show low illegal immigrant crime rates in Texas fail to account for the fact that illegal immigrants are not always identified immediately upon arrest. In many cases, illegal immigrants are identified only after they are imprisoned. Given sufficient time for data collection, it appears that illegal immigrants have above average conviction rates for homicide and sexual assault, while they have lower rates for robbery and drugs. There is also the question of how many illegal aliens actually exist in the US, which severely complicates calculation of rates for their population. Your pdf is a repost of the exact study (Light) cited here as being flawed. [1] https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal...
tastyface 9mo ago
"Is the argument that Minnesota isn’t emblematic of those issues or that those issues can’t be investigated because a “non white” community is involved with it?" The issue is that you can’t randomly break down citizen’s doors without a warrant. Minnesota is only targeted because some rightwing TikTok asshole decided to """investigate""" daycare fraud and they wouldn’t let a creepy rando into their facilities for some reason. "As for citizens being detained, interfering with and obstructing a law enforcement operation will get you detained, whether it’s ICE, FBI, or your local cop on a traffic stop." Who were these guys obstructing? Why were they treated like criminals? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigration-target-minnesota https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/ice-immigrat... What crime did these tear-gassed children commit? https://news.sky.com/video/fathers-six-children-in-hospital-after-ice-agents-throw-tear-gas-at-their-car-amidst-minneapolis-protests-13494538 https://news.sky.com/video/fathers-six-children-in-hospital-...