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Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal

Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always important to find the whole clip and not just propaganda clips

chaps 9mo ago
It's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_minnesota_ice_shooting_of_renee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...
- Steven420 9mo ago
  I have been keeping up to date on the videos coming out. The video you posted shows Renee obstructing
  - chaps 9mo ago
    I'm not attempting to dispute whether or not she was obstructing.
    - Steven420 9mo ago
      Then I must have not understood your point. Could you clarify? I have been following all of this closely
      - chaps 9mo ago
        I'm not understanding your point either, so here's how I'm interpreting what you're saying, in good faith: "she was in the way, so it was worth shooting her. fullstop". So I'm struggling to understand why you seem to be okay with shooting someone for being in the way. So please explain to me why you think "obstruction" was worth shooting her.
        Steven420 9mo ago
        She wasn't shot for obstructing federal agents. The series of events are as follows: 1. She obstructed federal agents 2. She resisted arrest/detainment 3. She accelerated into a federal agent 4. She was shot
        chaps 9mo ago
        I'm sorry that you think she deserved death.
        Steven420 9mo ago
        I don't think that she deserved death. It's unfortunate that you are misrepresenting my comments. I believe that she made a series of bad decisions and was solely responsible for what occurred. I understand that we are living in emotional times but arguing in bad faith does not improve the situation. We should maybe stop this discussion as it doesn't seem that we are getting anywhere. I hope that you have a good day
        chaps 9mo ago
        Please understand where I'm coming from: My mom's dad was shot and killed by police. Absolutely nobody in my family knows anything about it, but the default is "he was a bad person and deserved it" or, "he probably did something wrong." The coroner's report shows his death as a suicide, despite police shooting and killing him. This was a time before cameraphones and before I was even born, so it's impossible for me, let alone anyone else to know what happened. A lot of how you approach this discussion reminds me of the side of my family that defaults to thinking that the police did nothing wrong, or that their actions were justified or within policy, even without knowing the full facts (or, any; it's willful ignorance out the wazoo), plus a handful of assumptions. And, just -- a person died and that's all you can muster? Callousness and an air of benevolence? You can do better, friend.
        Izkata 9mo ago
  - Steven420 9mo ago
    Also why are the videos made to be so small? Seems like the person who made that video wants to hide the details of the situation
fzeroracer 9mo ago
In what world do you think it's acceptable to knee someone in the face repeatedly when they're on the ground and not resisting? You clearly didn't watch the videos at all.
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- Steven420 9mo ago
  Saw the video that you are referring to and it looks like the person is in fact resisting. Also I would not call that good law enforcement and don't agree with the officer doing that
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    Resisting? Where? Can you point to me in the 44 second clip where he is resisting? Because when the ICE agents move out of the way he's sitting there, completely still. He's so still that they lift him up entirely, with zero resistance or movement. What the fuck do you think he should do in order to not be resisting arrest, given that he's already completely still? You can see between the officers legs the only movement he's doing is when he's being kneed in the face.
    - Steven420 9mo ago
      It seemed like he was resisting to me because the agents were struggling to get him in handcuffs. Without a full video it is difficult to tell for sure though. The video is missing a lot of context. What happened before that video clip would make all the difference in determining whether or not he was resisting and how much force was necessary. Again I don't condone the agent kneeing the man in the head
      - fzeroracer 9mo ago
        Every time, the excuse is 'I need more context' when confronted with evidence because you do, in fact, condone it. Or else you wouldn't start your argument with 'he was resisting arrest'. And don't think I didn't see what you posted originally, you originally didn't even watch the damn clips and I had to tell you which one specifically to watch. Go back and watch any of the other clips I posted. Watch them very carefully.

chaps 9mo ago

It's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_minnesota_ice_shooting_of_renee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...

Steven420 9mo ago
I have been keeping up to date on the videos coming out. The video you posted shows Renee obstructing
- chaps 9mo ago
  I'm not attempting to dispute whether or not she was obstructing.
  - Steven420 9mo ago
    Then I must have not understood your point. Could you clarify? I have been following all of this closely
    - chaps 9mo ago
      I'm not understanding your point either, so here's how I'm interpreting what you're saying, in good faith: "she was in the way, so it was worth shooting her. fullstop". So I'm struggling to understand why you seem to be okay with shooting someone for being in the way. So please explain to me why you think "obstruction" was worth shooting her.
      - Steven420 9mo ago
        She wasn't shot for obstructing federal agents. The series of events are as follows: 1. She obstructed federal agents 2. She resisted arrest/detainment 3. She accelerated into a federal agent 4. She was shot
        chaps 9mo ago
        I'm sorry that you think she deserved death.
        Steven420 9mo ago
        I don't think that she deserved death. It's unfortunate that you are misrepresenting my comments. I believe that she made a series of bad decisions and was solely responsible for what occurred. I understand that we are living in emotional times but arguing in bad faith does not improve the situation. We should maybe stop this discussion as it doesn't seem that we are getting anywhere. I hope that you have a good day
        chaps 9mo ago
        Please understand where I'm coming from: My mom's dad was shot and killed by police. Absolutely nobody in my family knows anything about it, but the default is "he was a bad person and deserved it" or, "he probably did something wrong." The coroner's report shows his death as a suicide, despite police shooting and killing him. This was a time before cameraphones and before I was even born, so it's impossible for me, let alone anyone else to know what happened. A lot of how you approach this discussion reminds me of the side of my family that defaults to thinking that the police did nothing wrong, or that their actions were justified or within policy, even without knowing the full facts (or, any; it's willful ignorance out the wazoo), plus a handful of assumptions. And, just -- a person died and that's all you can muster? Callousness and an air of benevolence? You can do better, friend.
        Izkata 9mo ago
- Steven420 9mo ago
  Also why are the videos made to be so small? Seems like the person who made that video wants to hide the details of the situation

fzeroracer 9mo ago

In what world do you think it's acceptable to knee someone in the face repeatedly when they're on the ground and not resisting? You clearly didn't watch the videos at all.

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Steven420 9mo ago
Saw the video that you are referring to and it looks like the person is in fact resisting. Also I would not call that good law enforcement and don't agree with the officer doing that
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  Resisting? Where? Can you point to me in the 44 second clip where he is resisting? Because when the ICE agents move out of the way he's sitting there, completely still. He's so still that they lift him up entirely, with zero resistance or movement. What the fuck do you think he should do in order to not be resisting arrest, given that he's already completely still? You can see between the officers legs the only movement he's doing is when he's being kneed in the face.
  - Steven420 9mo ago
    It seemed like he was resisting to me because the agents were struggling to get him in handcuffs. Without a full video it is difficult to tell for sure though. The video is missing a lot of context. What happened before that video clip would make all the difference in determining whether or not he was resisting and how much force was necessary. Again I don't condone the agent kneeing the man in the head
    - fzeroracer 9mo ago
      Every time, the excuse is 'I need more context' when confronted with evidence because you do, in fact, condone it. Or else you wouldn't start your argument with 'he was resisting arrest'. And don't think I didn't see what you posted originally, you originally didn't even watch the damn clips and I had to tell you which one specifically to watch. Go back and watch any of the other clips I posted. Watch them very carefully.