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Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about

Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

agubelu 9mo ago
So you don't do anything because you have a job you need to keep and a kid to take care of, but you're perfectly okay with moving to a completely different country on short notice?
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  The US, for better or worse, isn't a cohesive country of people interested in a collective, but a smash and grab of economic gains sourced from those who are forced to live in it and cannot flee to developed countries. You come to it, or stay in it, to make more income you would in developed countries at the detriment of everyone else. Whether you believe the economic human factory farm that is the US is worth saving or preserving will be a function of your lived experience and mental model. "What are you optimizing for?"
  - throwaway853578 9mo ago
    Calling the USA a "economic human factory farm" is the best thing I've heard all year. Yeah we have some perks here. But they're not as rare as our propaganda would have us believe and we sure do pay for them in various ways.
- throwaway853578 9mo ago
  Yes because one of those can get my face smashed in by a baton. Moving is a far safer option for my family. Call it selfish if you want (hell, I'd even agree with you) but my priority is my family and my life. This idea that I have to care about "my country" is patriotic BS pounded into us to make it more likely to join the army.
  - agubelu 9mo ago
    Just curious, do you have dual citizenship? If not, what's exactly your plan to acquire a legal resident status quickly, and where?
embedding-shape 9mo ago
> Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Exactly, so why not go out on the streets and actually defend those things then? Currently your (presumed) inaction will cause those to be harmed, you're not "saving those" by saying and doing nothing, you're effectively giving them away if you don't actively protect them.
- senordevnyc 9mo ago
  The same reason you guys don't just deal with any of the big problems facing Spain that collective action would solve pretty quickly?
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    What physical government oppression have I missed now? I'm not trying to claim Spain is perfect, because it really isn't, especially considering "freedom of speech" (depending on your perspective of it) and some other things Americans might take for granted. But I'd say that usually when there are large issues impacting large parts of the population, then you can be pretty sure that there will be country-wide protests against it, many times with smaller violent elements, because people here make their opinions and feelings known.
    - senordevnyc 9mo ago
      My point is that what Americans face here is a collective action problem, which is no different than many of the problems facing Spain. While you might go out and protest, there are other collective action problems you're not solving today, even though you could if you took action as a group.
- throwaway853578 9mo ago
  Because actually defending those things requires violence and I shy away from that. Sitting on the sidelines and protesting doesn't do a damn thing. It just makes the maga people laugh harder. Case in point: our own president sharing an AI video of himself wearing a crown and dumping feces on protestors.
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findthewords 9mo ago
That is a very Russian way of solving the problem.
dpc050505 9mo ago
>If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. They're talking about starting wars with the rest of the occidental world. There won't be a elsewhere where you'll be welcome.

agubelu 9mo ago

So you don't do anything because you have a job you need to keep and a kid to take care of, but you're perfectly okay with moving to a completely different country on short notice?

toomuchtodo 9mo ago
The US, for better or worse, isn't a cohesive country of people interested in a collective, but a smash and grab of economic gains sourced from those who are forced to live in it and cannot flee to developed countries. You come to it, or stay in it, to make more income you would in developed countries at the detriment of everyone else. Whether you believe the economic human factory farm that is the US is worth saving or preserving will be a function of your lived experience and mental model. "What are you optimizing for?"
- throwaway853578 9mo ago
  Calling the USA a "economic human factory farm" is the best thing I've heard all year. Yeah we have some perks here. But they're not as rare as our propaganda would have us believe and we sure do pay for them in various ways.
throwaway853578 9mo ago
Yes because one of those can get my face smashed in by a baton. Moving is a far safer option for my family. Call it selfish if you want (hell, I'd even agree with you) but my priority is my family and my life. This idea that I have to care about "my country" is patriotic BS pounded into us to make it more likely to join the army.
- agubelu 9mo ago
  Just curious, do you have dual citizenship? If not, what's exactly your plan to acquire a legal resident status quickly, and where?

embedding-shape 9mo ago

> Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Exactly, so why not go out on the streets and actually defend those things then? Currently your (presumed) inaction will cause those to be harmed, you're not "saving those" by saying and doing nothing, you're effectively giving them away if you don't actively protect them.

senordevnyc 9mo ago
The same reason you guys don't just deal with any of the big problems facing Spain that collective action would solve pretty quickly?
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  What physical government oppression have I missed now? I'm not trying to claim Spain is perfect, because it really isn't, especially considering "freedom of speech" (depending on your perspective of it) and some other things Americans might take for granted. But I'd say that usually when there are large issues impacting large parts of the population, then you can be pretty sure that there will be country-wide protests against it, many times with smaller violent elements, because people here make their opinions and feelings known.
  - senordevnyc 9mo ago
    My point is that what Americans face here is a collective action problem, which is no different than many of the problems facing Spain. While you might go out and protest, there are other collective action problems you're not solving today, even though you could if you took action as a group.
throwaway853578 9mo ago
Because actually defending those things requires violence and I shy away from that. Sitting on the sidelines and protesting doesn't do a damn thing. It just makes the maga people laugh harder. Case in point: our own president sharing an AI video of himself wearing a crown and dumping feces on protestors.

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findthewords 9mo ago

That is a very Russian way of solving the problem.

dpc050505 9mo ago

>If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. They're talking about starting wars with the rest of the occidental world. There won't be a elsewhere where you'll be welcome.