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Slamming people into the ground, firing tear gas canisters into their faces, or killing them are not valid remedies for the state to take even if obstruction is

Slamming people into the ground, firing tear gas canisters into their faces, or killing them are not valid remedies for the state to take even if obstruction is happening. (even if they're being like really annoying with whistles and stuff!) edit: even if they referred to the ICE agent as "fatty fat fat fat" meanly

NonHyloMorph 9mo ago
Lol. Seems necessary to be pointed out which is a low point really.
Amezarak 9mo ago
As a matter of fact, arrest is the proper remedy for obstruction, which is at least a misdemeanor and sometimes a felony, and it may include those first two things, or even the third if they violently resist. And despite widely spread misinformation online, ICE has the legal authority to arrest anyone, even citizens, if they see them doing this. There’s really no other way law enforcement could work, I don’t know what people are imagining. You don’t get to surround or block LEO from conducting business and just say “neener neener” and there’s nothing they can do. If you escalate to physical violence then you’re simply gambling with your life and there’s no other way it could be in the world we life in, except in maybe a very low crime society. It’s one thing if you accept all this and do it anyway, but people keep acting shocked by what happens. “why did you have real bullets?”.
- willmarch 9mo ago
  What if LEOs have a clear pattern of acting outside of the Constitution and lying about the circumstances around “obstruction”? Can you see a point at which it no longer makes sense to comply? I believe the founding fathers have much to say on this subject.
  - Amezarak 9mo ago
    I think, having been arrested and had other encounters with police, I am going to be the most docile lamb in the world and talk to my lawyer later. I haven’t seen anything that’s not very typical cop behavior. If you think revolution is the answer I don’t agree, but surely you see that risking your life is table stakes.
    - willmarch 9mo ago
      I think your position is reasonable in reasonable times, but variables can and do change and our responses must change with them if we hope to adapt and survive. But this is all academic at this point, even if warning signs are popping up everywhere.

NonHyloMorph 9mo ago

Lol. Seems necessary to be pointed out which is a low point really.

Amezarak 9mo ago

As a matter of fact, arrest is the proper remedy for obstruction, which is at least a misdemeanor and sometimes a felony, and it may include those first two things, or even the third if they violently resist. And despite widely spread misinformation online, ICE has the legal authority to arrest anyone, even citizens, if they see them doing this. There’s really no other way law enforcement could work, I don’t know what people are imagining. You don’t get to surround or block LEO from conducting business and just say “neener neener” and there’s nothing they can do. If you escalate to physical violence then you’re simply gambling with your life and there’s no other way it could be in the world we life in, except in maybe a very low crime society. It’s one thing if you accept all this and do it anyway, but people keep acting shocked by what happens. “why did you have real bullets?”.

willmarch 9mo ago
What if LEOs have a clear pattern of acting outside of the Constitution and lying about the circumstances around “obstruction”? Can you see a point at which it no longer makes sense to comply? I believe the founding fathers have much to say on this subject.
- Amezarak 9mo ago
  I think, having been arrested and had other encounters with police, I am going to be the most docile lamb in the world and talk to my lawyer later. I haven’t seen anything that’s not very typical cop behavior. If you think revolution is the answer I don’t agree, but surely you see that risking your life is table stakes.
  - willmarch 9mo ago
    I think your position is reasonable in reasonable times, but variables can and do change and our responses must change with them if we hope to adapt and survive. But this is all academic at this point, even if warning signs are popping up everywhere.