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Waving signs, yelling and filming is not obstruction
by lokar 10mo ago
Waving signs, yelling and filming is not obstruction
- Izkata 10mo ago[flagged]
- irl_zebra 10mo agoSlamming people into the ground, firing tear gas canisters into their faces, or killing them are not valid remedies for the state to take even if obstruction is happening. (even if they're being like really annoying with whistles and stuff!) edit: even if they referred to the ICE agent as "fatty fat fat fat" meanly
- NonHyloMorph 10mo agoLol. Seems necessary to be pointed out which is a low point really.
- Amezarak 10mo agoAs a matter of fact, arrest is the proper remedy for obstruction, which is at least a misdemeanor and sometimes a felony, and it may include those first two things, or even the third if they violently resist. And despite widely spread misinformation online, ICE has the legal authority to arrest anyone, even citizens, if they see them doing this. There’s really no other way law enforcement could work, I don’t know what people are imagining. You don’t get to surround or block LEO from conducting business and just say “neener neener” and there’s nothing they can do. If you escalate to physical violence then you’re simply gambling with your life and there’s no other way it could be in the world we life in, except in maybe a very low crime society. It’s one thing if you accept all this and do it anyway, but people keep acting shocked by what happens. “why did you have real bullets?”.
- willmarch 10mo agoWhat if LEOs have a clear pattern of acting outside of the Constitution and lying about the circumstances around “obstruction”? Can you see a point at which it no longer makes sense to comply? I believe the founding fathers have much to say on this subject.
- Amezarak 10mo agoI think, having been arrested and had other encounters with police, I am going to be the most docile lamb in the world and talk to my lawyer later. I haven’t seen anything that’s not very typical cop behavior. If you think revolution is the answer I don’t agree, but surely you see that risking your life is table stakes.
- willmarch 10mo agoI think your position is reasonable in reasonable times, but variables can and do change and our responses must change with them if we hope to adapt and survive. But this is all academic at this point, even if warning signs are popping up everywhere.
- fzeroracer 10mo agoDo these [1] look like blocking traffic? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192
- wahnfrieden 10mo agoThey will claim that if the person was in front of the car when ICE rammed into them, it means they were blocking the car
- Steven420 10mo agoMost of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always important to find the whole clip and not just propaganda clips
- chaps 10mo agoIt's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_minnesota_ice_shooting_of_renee/ https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...
- banannaise 10mo ago"Blocking traffic" is at this point a tired trope. Any sort of disruptive action is described as "blocking traffic", which is somehow framed as a form of violence. (My favorite version is when people argue that it is a form of unlawful detention akin to kidnapping.) This would be more accurately framed as "parking illegally", which is the sort of thing for which you occasionally get a ticket placed under your windshield wiper, not the sort of thing for which armed, masked agents violently arrest you.
- newfriend 10mo agoPurposely moving your car in front of law enforcement officers' cars to prevent them from arresting a suspect is in fact obstruction. This is not "violence", but you will be arrested if you do this. If you resist arrest, you will be forcefully arrested/apprehended. If you then attempt potentially life-threatening physical harm to the officer you will likely be met with deadly force.
- lokar 10mo agoThere are two different things at play, and it's important to be clear about them: - Legal protest. Standing out of the way, yelling, singing, signs, etc. 100% protected, only subject to reasonable crowd control (by the local LEA), eg to move people off the roadway. - Civil disobedience. Intentional non-violent violations of the law. Intended to slow/disrupt government activity. You are breaking the law to make a point, and should be willing to accept the consequences. The violations are almost always minor, with at most a week or two in jail and a fine. Law enforcement has a legal obligation to apply proportionally in the enforcement, if they are non-violent then little or no force is acceptable in detaining or citing the protestors.
- gruez 10mo ago>If you resist arrest, you will be forcefully arrested/apprehended. If you then attempt potentially life-threatening physical harm to the officer you will likely be met with deadly force. Translation: you'll be summarily executed if the officer vaguely feels "threatened"
- mattnewton 10mo agoPlease think more deeply about the consequences here. Besides even the first amendment’s right to assembly, these videos show just people driving by.
- codezero 10mo agoThey can use their maps program to find another route.
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