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Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.

by fourseventy 9mo ago

footy 9mo ago
ICE has only existed since 2003 which I'd argue is not "before Trump" and regardless is not a long time.
- fourseventy 9mo ago
  It was 13 years before Trump was president. Before ICE existed other agencies handled immigration enforcement. Everyone in this thread is acting like illegal immigrants have never been deported before Trump was elected.
  - footy 9mo ago
    Yeah, my point is that 13 years (or frankly, 23) hardly counts as "a long time". That's less than 10% of the history of the United States! ICE is less old than The Matrix or the iPod or the complete decoding of the human genome.
nullocator 9mo ago
Trump as demonstrated that the next president has full authority to disassemble and disband effectively any agency or federal organization that they like. So I wouldn't be so sure that ICE will exist after Trump, assuming we continue to have fair elections which is a big if I guess. I certainly would consider voting for a candidate who expressed a desire to exercise this authority and presidential power to defund ICE, fire and federally blacklist all of it's former employees during that presidents term.
NickC25 9mo ago
oh please. I live by one of his golf courses. The folks there watering the course, cutting the lawn, moving the greens, and cleaning the facilities are most definitely not US citizens, most definitely are not English speakers, and I'd bet a lot of money are not valid green card holders or work visa holders. You think his courses in immigration hotbeds like New York or Southern California are any different? Fuck no they aren't. You're backing a wanna-be tough guy who can't even practice what he preaches.
- fourseventy 9mo ago
  How do you know they are not US citizens?
  - NickC25 9mo ago
    Because I've played at his course, and played at plenty of courses owned by his wealthy donors down here in SoFLA. They don't hire American, none of them do. The majority of landscapers and maintenance folks at his Doral course in particular are Salvadorean, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan.

Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.

footy 9mo ago

ICE has only existed since 2003 which I'd argue is not "before Trump" and regardless is not a long time.

fourseventy 9mo ago
It was 13 years before Trump was president. Before ICE existed other agencies handled immigration enforcement. Everyone in this thread is acting like illegal immigrants have never been deported before Trump was elected.
- footy 9mo ago
  Yeah, my point is that 13 years (or frankly, 23) hardly counts as "a long time". That's less than 10% of the history of the United States! ICE is less old than The Matrix or the iPod or the complete decoding of the human genome.

nullocator 9mo ago

Trump as demonstrated that the next president has full authority to disassemble and disband effectively any agency or federal organization that they like. So I wouldn't be so sure that ICE will exist after Trump, assuming we continue to have fair elections which is a big if I guess. I certainly would consider voting for a candidate who expressed a desire to exercise this authority and presidential power to defund ICE, fire and federally blacklist all of it's former employees during that presidents term.

NickC25 9mo ago

oh please. I live by one of his golf courses. The folks there watering the course, cutting the lawn, moving the greens, and cleaning the facilities are most definitely not US citizens, most definitely are not English speakers, and I'd bet a lot of money are not valid green card holders or work visa holders. You think his courses in immigration hotbeds like New York or Southern California are any different? Fuck no they aren't. You're backing a wanna-be tough guy who can't even practice what he preaches.

fourseventy 9mo ago
How do you know they are not US citizens?
- NickC25 9mo ago
  Because I've played at his course, and played at plenty of courses owned by his wealthy donors down here in SoFLA. They don't hire American, none of them do. The majority of landscapers and maintenance folks at his Doral course in particular are Salvadorean, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan.