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> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. Like expanding Presidential immunity specifically for a President with 34 e

by ceejayoz 10mo ago

> Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption. Like expanding Presidential immunity specifically for a President with 34 existing felony convictions? Or the admin refusing to even investigate the agent in the Good shooting (https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-investigation-justice-department https://www.axios.com/2026/01/14/ice-trump-minneapolis-inves...) while going after her widow (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resignation-ice-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/13/us/prosecutors-doj-resign...)?

mosura 10mo ago
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- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  > By failing to accept that you are being selective. Are you not being selective? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment
  - mosura 10mo ago
    That link makes no sense for your comment, but it was an interesting insight into your thinking.
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      I'll ask more directly, then, I suppose. Do you believe Trump should be immune to those felony convictions? Are you… selective in which laws you like?
      - mosura 10mo ago
        When you have accepted there is a need to enforce immigration law, starting with removing those without existing legal status, we can proceed.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        This is one of those times a non-answer is a pretty clear answer. Thanks.
        mosura 10mo ago
        So you are opposed to any immigration enforcement then.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        Certainly not; I myself held a green card at one point. But that's a bit like responding to "Auschwitz was bad!" with "so you oppose giving free food and housing to Jews?!" I object to how enforcement is being performed, and the collateral damage ICE is willing to inflict on citizens not in their legal purview. Now let's do you. Do you think the President should have a relatively blank check to get away with being convicted of felonies? Do you have concerns about the Vice President's claim that ICE agents enjoy "absolute immunity"?
        mosura 10mo ago
        Your problem is you want things more than think about them. The rot of the bureaucracy coming to convenient decisions extends from illegally allowing millions of people to take up residence in the country to convicting people of trumped up nonsense in an obvious attempt to keep them from office to subvert the democratic intent of the people. This is why Trump and co are the clean up crew before returning to a happier place. It is not a nice job, and nice people wouldn’t be able to do it, but it is a necessary one to prevent things getting so much worse.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        You: "Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption." Also you: "convicting people of trumped up nonsense..." Whoops. Someone sure seems… selective. (And we've gone full circle, to my original point.) > Your problem is you want things more than think about them. This is precisely the implementation problem inherent in "immediately deport tens of millions of people upon which American society has relied on for decades for cheap labor".
- lokar 10mo ago
  I accept that US law, and its execution on border crossings and asylum was disastrous. Over many administrations. That in no way justifies this move to an unaccountable paramilitary force attacking US citizens who are legally exercising their rights.
  - mosura 10mo ago
    Many people have been pointing at Waco for years. Even Janet Reno later admitted regretting that episode, and yet you do not hear the left in the US saying at all that this was a problem - in fact it is stereotypical far right recruitment material. This is why it is clear the problem with ICE is not their mode of enforcement, which is far less egregious than the Waco situation, but the fact they are remotely effective.
    - ceejayoz 10mo ago
      > yet you do not hear the left in the US saying at all that this was a problem Sure you do. The left has been very critical of this sort of police militarization. They gave the cops an M1 Abrams to play with, FFS.
      - mosura 10mo ago
        No, they merely complain when it is deployed against them, as with ICE. Otherwise Waco would be a rallying cry of the US left, and it isn’t.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        From "a problem" to "rallying cry" is a pretty neat goalpost move. Leftists have long warned that expansions of government power (in general) and police militarization (specifically) are most likely to be eventually used against leftists.
        mosura 10mo ago
        Modern leftists are definitionally promoting expansion of government power - it is a core consequence of their beliefs. The late Murray Bookchin was the exception that proves the rule, and he was hardly popular or widely known, and made some astonishingly prescient interviews before he died about the direction it was all headed in.

mosura 10mo ago

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ceejayoz 10mo ago
> By failing to accept that you are being selective. Are you not being selective? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=mosura%20Trump&type=comment
- mosura 10mo ago
  That link makes no sense for your comment, but it was an interesting insight into your thinking.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    I'll ask more directly, then, I suppose. Do you believe Trump should be immune to those felony convictions? Are you… selective in which laws you like?
    - mosura 10mo ago
      When you have accepted there is a need to enforce immigration law, starting with removing those without existing legal status, we can proceed.
      - ceejayoz 10mo ago
        This is one of those times a non-answer is a pretty clear answer. Thanks.
        mosura 10mo ago
        So you are opposed to any immigration enforcement then.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        Certainly not; I myself held a green card at one point. But that's a bit like responding to "Auschwitz was bad!" with "so you oppose giving free food and housing to Jews?!" I object to how enforcement is being performed, and the collateral damage ICE is willing to inflict on citizens not in their legal purview. Now let's do you. Do you think the President should have a relatively blank check to get away with being convicted of felonies? Do you have concerns about the Vice President's claim that ICE agents enjoy "absolute immunity"?
        mosura 10mo ago
        Your problem is you want things more than think about them. The rot of the bureaucracy coming to convenient decisions extends from illegally allowing millions of people to take up residence in the country to convicting people of trumped up nonsense in an obvious attempt to keep them from office to subvert the democratic intent of the people. This is why Trump and co are the clean up crew before returning to a happier place. It is not a nice job, and nice people wouldn’t be able to do it, but it is a necessary one to prevent things getting so much worse.
        ceejayoz 10mo ago
        You: "Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption." Also you: "convicting people of trumped up nonsense..." Whoops. Someone sure seems… selective. (And we've gone full circle, to my original point.) > Your problem is you want things more than think about them. This is precisely the implementation problem inherent in "immediately deport tens of millions of people upon which American society has relied on for decades for cheap labor".
lokar 10mo ago
I accept that US law, and its execution on border crossings and asylum was disastrous. Over many administrations. That in no way justifies this move to an unaccountable paramilitary force attacking US citizens who are legally exercising their rights.
- mosura 10mo ago
  Many people have been pointing at Waco for years. Even Janet Reno later admitted regretting that episode, and yet you do not hear the left in the US saying at all that this was a problem - in fact it is stereotypical far right recruitment material. This is why it is clear the problem with ICE is not their mode of enforcement, which is far less egregious than the Waco situation, but the fact they are remotely effective.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    > yet you do not hear the left in the US saying at all that this was a problem Sure you do. The left has been very critical of this sort of police militarization. They gave the cops an M1 Abrams to play with, FFS.
    - mosura 10mo ago
      No, they merely complain when it is deployed against them, as with ICE. Otherwise Waco would be a rallying cry of the US left, and it isn’t.
      - ceejayoz 10mo ago
        From "a problem" to "rallying cry" is a pretty neat goalpost move. Leftists have long warned that expansions of government power (in general) and police militarization (specifically) are most likely to be eventually used against leftists.
        mosura 10mo ago
        Modern leftists are definitionally promoting expansion of government power - it is a core consequence of their beliefs. The late Murray Bookchin was the exception that proves the rule, and he was hardly popular or widely known, and made some astonishingly prescient interviews before he died about the direction it was all headed in.