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Found: Medieval Cargo Ship – Largest Vessel of Its Kind Ever
Announcement from museum: https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/news/archaeologists-reveal-a-medieval-super-ship-its-the-worlds-largest-cog https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/news/archaeologists-rev...
- dgan 10mo agoPatrician II/III anyone? One of the best games of my childhood, sweet memories
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- dyauspitr 10mo agoI can appreciate their troubles. How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income. People also seem dead against subscriptions. The only way that seems to work is appealing to the LCD and raking in stream bucks but not all media/literature, especially the valuable kind, is conducive to that model.
- shiroiuma 10mo ago>How is someone supposed to pay for all the overhead that goes into research and writing these articles without a source of income. I'm not sure, but we've been trying the online advertising model for a few decades now, and it's been terrible. Pop-ups, pop-unders, malware, I could go on and on. At some point it's fine to just say "no" to the advertisers after so much abuse. Also, there's nothing stopping a website from hosting their own ads: these generally are not blocked by ad-blockers because they're served from the same domain, rather than a known ad-serving domain. But they never want to do this for some reason.
- toolazytologin 10mo agoThe site hosting the ads seems like a red herring? Do you mean they could sell or design their own ads? If so, that seems like a difficult proposition. If we accept that most people won’t pay a subscription, and take ads off the table as an option, then I can only think of 2 other options: * charitable patrons (this is a thing, but I guess not effective enough?) * selling other products to subsidize the free content These both appear to have obvious problems and for a dubious goal of making another party subsidize the visitor’s consumption cost. Having the visitor cover their own cost seems reasonable. What currency do they have other than money or attention? Maybe a small work problem that provides an abstracted service to a separate payer (a la reCAPTCHA, but for $).
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- quinncom 10mo agoSmithsonian Mag used to be the Institution’s brain‑child, now it’s just a click‑bait lifestyle tabloid full of celebs. The magazine’s editorial directives have diverged from the institutions mission. They care more about pageviews and ads than research.
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- mmooss 10mo agoIs there a paper somewhere? Statement from the Viking Museum: https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/about-us/news-and-press/press-releases/archaeologists-reveal-a-medieval-super-ship-its-the-worlds-largest-cog https://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk/en/about-us/news-and-press... Documentary referenced in the statement (I think): https://www.dr.dk/drtv/episode/gaaden-i-dybet_-fra-ukendt-havn_562821 https://www.dr.dk/drtv/episode/gaaden-i-dybet_-fra-ukendt-ha...
- paulnpace 10mo agoAmazingly under only 40' of water.
- Someone 10mo agoThat may be not that amazing for a shipwreck in the Øresund. According to Wikipedia, its maximum depth is 40m (130’) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Øresund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Øresund), so chances are a lot of it is less deep. There also may be sampling bias, with shipwrecks in shallower water being more likely to be found, and, if the tides flow faster in deeper water, survivorship bias.
- bluGill 10mo agoships are less likely to wreck in deep water. Storms can sill overturn them (though if they are unstable getting to deep water is questionable). You mostly expect wrecks from hitting rocks on the bottom. Though in war time sinking happens in deep water.
- bluGill 10mo agoToo late to edit, but there is one more factor: even in war, the easiest way to find an enemy ship is when it is leaving port. Thus you would expect even in war time the battles are mostly in shallow water just because that is usually what you find around good ports. (Today with radar, satellite and such finding ships at sea isn't nearly as hard, but it is still not easy if the other isn't cooperating)
- patall 10mo agoThe baltic has tons of wrecks. Because of its brackishness, both marine and fresh water wood decomposing organism dont survive there and thus old ships got preserved really really well. Some are in really shallow (walkable) water, especially in areas where the land is rising.
- einpoklum 10mo agoThis is the kind of ship they found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cog_(ship) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cog_(ship) larger ships in the later middle ages were the Caravel and the Carrack, which typically had more than a single mast.
- mikkupikku 10mo ago> Its planks are made of Pomeranian oak from modern-day Poland, and the wood of its frame came from the Netherlands. I'm surprised the raw materials came together over such a distance. That transporting lumber was economical back then is remarkable.
- benj111 10mo agoIs it possible the ship was rebuilt?
- tokai 10mo agoNo the wood is also dated.
- evereverever 10mo agoToo wet to be on tinder though.
- cardamomo 10mo agoDendrochronology-based age verification is coming soon
- collingreen 10mo agoSlow clap. Also, there's a "rings" joke in here somewhere about Tinder not being for finding a marriage but I can't figure it out.
- TeMPOraL 10mo agoMaybe s/marriage/stable marriage/, then we can talk about growing population of multi-ringers.
- twic 10mo agoWell, as the article says: > Per the statement, the large vessels were made to sail north from the Netherlands, around Denmark and toward the Baltic Sea. [...] Uldum adds that shipbuilders made the cogs as large as possible to transport bulky cargo, like timber Once you've built one cog, you've got the ideal tool to fetch Polish timber to build more!
- asymmetric 10mo ago> On its stern, researchers were shocked to find extensive remains of a castle, a kind of covered deck where the crew would have sought shelter. Records show that castles were distinctive features of medieval cogs, but no physical evidence of them had previously been identified. I suppose this explains why the thing that exists on more modern ships is called a “forecastle”. PS go check the pronunciation for that word as it’s quite surprising.
- lostlogin 10mo ago‘Folksal’? You aren’t wrong.
- opto 10mo agoThe forecastle of a ship is in the forward part of a ship — at the front, not the back. Looking at renderings of cogs, the 'castle' at the stern seems more to anticipate the modern bulk carrier, with an accommodation block with bridge on top at the aft end, looking out over the cargo holds.
- tpurves 10mo agoShips of that era and leader had castles on both ends fore and aft. It's just the forward one than retained in usage as a sailing term, even after foredecks no longer looked like castles. The aft castle became a quarterdeck, a poop deck, a cockpit or a bridge etc. Meanwhile, a built-up and elevated stern 'castle' is advantageous place to put the steering and command position, close to the rudder and with visibility of the whole ship, it's rig, plus where the ship is going. While maximizing mid-ship area for cargo. If you have to pick one end or the other, stern is the more comfortable end of the ship being most sheltered from wave action and weather. Being elevated and fortified also helps as a fighting/defensive position, but that is less important for modern cargo ships. 'Anticipation' isn't quite the right word as shipbuilders have always worked within the same basic design considerations and trade-offs, as the sea itself continues to enforce the same fundamental constraints.
- nerdponx 10mo agoOther types of ships also had castles, such as the carrack and galleon. They are super tall and ungainly looking compared to modern ships, even those from the 19th and 18th centuries.
- lisper 10mo agoApparently no one has mentioned the Vasa here yet, so I'll do it: https://www.vasamuseet.se/en https://www.vasamuseet.se/en Not quite as old but preserved almost intact and now restored on dry land. Well worth a visit.
- Gibbon1 10mo agoThere is the C.A. Thayer which is a restored lumber ship. https://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/c-a-thayer.htm https://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/c-a-thayer.htm The ship they found "measures about 92 feet long, 30 feet wide and 20 feet tall. Experts estimate its cargo capacity was 300 tons" The C.A. Thayer is 219 feet long, 36 feet wide and carried 453 tons. Random off hand thought is the big difference between these two is the Thayer was longer. A problem I've read with long wooden ships is the flexing can open the seams between the planks to open up requiring the crew to bail water. Off Orford Ness she sprang a leak Hear her poor old timbers creak Pump you blighters, pump or drown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFgAeXA0dJM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFgAeXA0dJM