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> This isn’t incremental improvement. This is a phase change. > This isn’t about one person copying one idea. It’s about the fundamental economics of software

> This isn’t incremental improvement. This is a phase change. > This isn’t about one person copying one idea. It’s about the fundamental economics of software changing. That "this isn't x, it's y" really is a strong tell

wiseowise 9mo ago
Bro, we can't afford to type them letters, bro. We hustlers, making the hard earned cash.
post_below 9mo ago
And those weren't the only tells. Right now it's cringey but I have a sinking feeling that it's in the process of becoming normal. The post is on the front page after all. Which means people either can't tell, or don't mind.
legucy 9mo ago
We should develop a culture of naming mode-collapsed LLMisms, and shaming their enablers. How about “Not-Just Abuse”? Not-Just Abuse (informal, pejorative) Definition: The practice of knowingly deploying the “not just X, but Y” construction—typically via a mode-collapsed LLM—to simulate insight, inflate banality into profundity, and efficiently convert reader attention into nothing.
- whattheheckheck 9mo ago
  That's not just a good idea -- it's a new modality
jiggawatts 9mo ago
> really is a strong tell AFAIK that's the style of ChatGPT specifically. I haven't noticed that particular turn of phrase turn up in Gemini output, for example. Even if using GPT, via the Open AI playground you can easily control the system prompt and adjust the style and tone to your taste. So if you see the default ChatGPT style, that's not "just" AI slop, it's low effort AI slop. What annoys me personally is that both ChatGPT and Gemini like to output bullet point lists with the first key phrase highlighted in bold for each item. I do that! I've been doing that for years! Now many of my customers will likely start assuming my writing is mere AI slop. I've become tempted to leave typos in my writing on purpose as a shibboleth indicating its human origins.
- pkreg01 9mo ago
  I agree. There's some faux confidence about ChatGPT, this emotionally draining, ruthlessly authoritative prose that is just exhausting to intellectually engage with. It started around o3, and I have no idea what OpenAI is doing to make their models sound like this. Claude and Gemini models have a much more human tone to them.
  - cromka 9mo ago
    "This is a classic ChstGPT gotcha". This and the gaslighting "Exactly, now you see why A!=B" when it was ME who pointed out his wrong A=B assumption are driving me crazy. They f*cked it up. I am convinced ChatGPT will be a classic case of an early prodigy which gets surpassed by the better, second generation products. History is full of those. I think Tesla is another, recent one.
    - sdf2 9mo ago
      They have definitely messed it up, I know people who promised to be lifelong chatgpt users who now use Gemini. Itll take a bit of time to show up in the numbers overall, but within my reach I see the numbers changing.
      - cromka 9mo ago
        Indeed, while it's anecdotal, I find Gemini give me right answers at first attempt, while sometimes I can't get ChatGPT to get it right in two-three comebacks.
- deaux 9mo ago
  No, Claude does it too, or at least has done so up until at least 4. Haven't checked 4.5. Even with GPT models, it's only with 5 that instruction following has become strong enough that your instructions can override this tendency. During the whole 4 (and o) series, it wasn't something you could just override through a system prompt.
davekiss 9mo ago
y'all are too funny Yep, at times, I dictate my thoughts with VoiceInk and have an LLM be an editor on P2 tasks so I can publish instead of have another unfinished idea that never sees the light of day If you want pre-LLM samples, go ahead and scroll back or check my history—but I've got two kids to take care of and appreciate the publish assist :)

wiseowise 9mo ago

Bro, we can't afford to type them letters, bro. We hustlers, making the hard earned cash.

post_below 9mo ago

And those weren't the only tells. Right now it's cringey but I have a sinking feeling that it's in the process of becoming normal. The post is on the front page after all. Which means people either can't tell, or don't mind.

legucy 9mo ago

We should develop a culture of naming mode-collapsed LLMisms, and shaming their enablers. How about “Not-Just Abuse”? Not-Just Abuse (informal, pejorative) Definition: The practice of knowingly deploying the “not just X, but Y” construction—typically via a mode-collapsed LLM—to simulate insight, inflate banality into profundity, and efficiently convert reader attention into nothing.

whattheheckheck 9mo ago
That's not just a good idea -- it's a new modality

jiggawatts 9mo ago

> really is a strong tell AFAIK that's the style of ChatGPT specifically. I haven't noticed that particular turn of phrase turn up in Gemini output, for example. Even if using GPT, via the Open AI playground you can easily control the system prompt and adjust the style and tone to your taste. So if you see the default ChatGPT style, that's not "just" AI slop, it's low effort AI slop. What annoys me personally is that both ChatGPT and Gemini like to output bullet point lists with the first key phrase highlighted in bold for each item. I do that! I've been doing that for years! Now many of my customers will likely start assuming my writing is mere AI slop. I've become tempted to leave typos in my writing on purpose as a shibboleth indicating its human origins.

pkreg01 9mo ago
I agree. There's some faux confidence about ChatGPT, this emotionally draining, ruthlessly authoritative prose that is just exhausting to intellectually engage with. It started around o3, and I have no idea what OpenAI is doing to make their models sound like this. Claude and Gemini models have a much more human tone to them.
- cromka 9mo ago
  "This is a classic ChstGPT gotcha". This and the gaslighting "Exactly, now you see why A!=B" when it was ME who pointed out his wrong A=B assumption are driving me crazy. They f*cked it up. I am convinced ChatGPT will be a classic case of an early prodigy which gets surpassed by the better, second generation products. History is full of those. I think Tesla is another, recent one.
  - sdf2 9mo ago
    They have definitely messed it up, I know people who promised to be lifelong chatgpt users who now use Gemini. Itll take a bit of time to show up in the numbers overall, but within my reach I see the numbers changing.
    - cromka 9mo ago
      Indeed, while it's anecdotal, I find Gemini give me right answers at first attempt, while sometimes I can't get ChatGPT to get it right in two-three comebacks.
deaux 9mo ago
No, Claude does it too, or at least has done so up until at least 4. Haven't checked 4.5. Even with GPT models, it's only with 5 that instruction following has become strong enough that your instructions can override this tendency. During the whole 4 (and o) series, it wasn't something you could just override through a system prompt.

davekiss 9mo ago

y'all are too funny Yep, at times, I dictate my thoughts with VoiceInk and have an LLM be an editor on P2 tasks so I can publish instead of have another unfinished idea that never sees the light of day If you want pre-LLM samples, go ahead and scroll back or check my history—but I've got two kids to take care of and appreciate the publish assist :)