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Nvidia Reportedly Ends GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Production, RTX 5060 Ti 16 GB Next
- voidfunc 9mo agoDeath of PC gaming incoming. Happy I just bought my 5080 before Christmas. Theyre all on borrowed time.
- legobmw99 9mo agoI am a recent 5070ti purchaser so I'm also feeling lucky, though if they exit the gaming market entirely I suspect the drivers will all go to crap soon thereafter
- ndiddy 9mo agoWell if you look at the SKUs they're discontinuing, they're taking out all the lowest end models with more VRAM to save the allocation for the higher end models with jucier margins. For example the 5070 Ti costs $500 less than the 5080 but both have 16 GB of VRAM. I imagine that for the near future, they'll have the 5060 8GB, 5070 12GB, and 16GB will be limited to the 5080 for consumers willing to spend $1300 on a GPU.
- lemoncookiechip 9mo agoNo worries, gamers. You can subscribe to our GeForce NOW service to rent a top of the line card through our cloud service for the low low price of 11€$£ or 22€$£ a month with *almost no restrictions. *Except for all the restrictions.
- merpkz 9mo agoI just bought a 5070 Ti a week ago and can attest I have used it for maybe 3-4 hours since then. It begs the question maybe I should have rented the compute instead instead of paying 900 eur on spot - that's like 3 years worth of rent.
- throwaway2027 9mo agoBecause it'll set a precedent and eventually kill off being able to own the hardware to run things locally anymore in the future.
- pixl97 9mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_happy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_ha...
- threetonesun 9mo agoCurrently after 3 years the price of the GPU if you decide to sell it might be a wash, much like it was after the crypto boom. Granted you have to pay for electricity to run it, but you also have full control over what it runs.
- observationist 9mo agoIf the compute is the unit of value under consideration, maybe. But there's more - you have access, freedom from supervision, the capability to modify, upgrade, tweak, adjust anything you want, resell compute under p2p cloud services when idle, etc. And then if the market for these gets hot, you can sell and recoup your initial costs and then some. The freedom and opportunity benefit - as opposed to the dependence and opportunity cost of renting - is where I personally think you come out on top.
- dyauspitr 9mo agoWhere the hell is 900 eur 3 years of rent
- diab0lic 9mo agoHaha. I read that the same way the first time I read it. The commenter means 3 years of renting GPU from nvidia via cloud services.
- close04 9mo agoI think that's comparing to 3 years of GeForce Now at ~22EUR/month for the Ultimate plan, for a total of ~800 EUR. For someone using in 3h/week then you might as well go for the free plan and pay nothing. But renting has while owning can only have financial cost, renting has a hidden cost on top of that. It leads to "atrophy" of the ownership right and once you lose that option you'll never get it back. That will have incalculable costs.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoIt's 33 eurodollar now. I'm sorry I meant 44
- lemoncookiechip 9mo agoChina will save us, except no, we'll just ban their hardware sales, sucks to suck.
- fc417fc802 9mo agoDoes China have any cutting edge fabs yet? I thought it was still just TSMC, Samsung, and maybe Intel. Maybe consumer electronics will move backwards by a process node or two?
- lemoncookiechip 9mo agoThey've just recently been able to reverse engineer ASML's EUV machines. They're years and years behind, although the way things are moving forward with hardware prices skyrocketing (RAM, SSD, GPUs...) regular consumer won't have much choice in anything anyway for a while.
- fc417fc802 9mo agoSo at a rough guess would that be expected to put them on the equivalent of TSMC 7 nm a few years from now? I wonder if a bunch of consumer electronics will move back to something like 12 nm for a while? Seems like there's a lot of capacity in that range. Zen 2 wasn't so bad, right?
- cmxch 9mo agoGood thing I got my 5070ti when I did.
- re-thc 9mo agoTime for AMD to shine?
- roboror 9mo agoThey already had worse margins so probably not unless they've been hoarding RAM. AMD also wants DC money.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoyou'd fool me looking at how PITA is to make stuff work compared to NVIDIA
- pixl97 9mo agoWanting something, and executing on it properly are two different things.
- whatevaa 9mo agoKnowing AMD, shine by doing the same.
- keyringlight 9mo agoMy impression for the past decade or so is that Radeon for PC is AMD's way of keeping their GPU division's engine running between contracts for consoles or compute products. At the very least it's a welcome byproduct that provides a competent iGPU and a test bed for future 'main' products. It's been a long while since AMD has shown future vision for PC GPUs or they've led with a feature instead of following what others do.
- re-thc 9mo ago> My impression for the past decade or so is that Radeon for PC is AMD's way of keeping their GPU division's engine running During this time AMD was focused on CPUs. They've already said that they'll focus more on GPUs now (since CPUs are way ahead and AI is a thing) so this should change things.
- ecshafer 9mo agoCrucial shut down, Nvidia not producing consumer cards. Even with AMD cards, if there's no memory available then we can't get them either. Ram is 4-5x the price of a year ago. Is AI going to kill the consumer computer industry?
- fc417fc802 9mo agoThat's one possibility. Another is that it's temporary until production can be ramped up (but I doubt it because fabs). Pessimistic take is that the suppliers expect the bubble to pop soon (and very violently) and want to maximize their take while they still can. Or maybe assuming the trend holds in the longer term it could mean that consumers will move downstream of datacenters. Anyone who wants a GPU rocking 3 to 5 year old recycled enterprise gear.
- baal80spam 9mo ago> Is AI going to kill the consumer computer industry? Even if, the death of the AAA gaming is nothing I will cry about. Most games don't require anything remotely as performant as 5070.
- ecshafer 9mo agoI don't play any AAA games really. The only "AAA" game I've played in the past few years is basically Baldurs Gate 3 and Kingdom Come Deliverance II. But mostly I play rpgs and strategy games that don't require much gpu power at all.
- emsign 9mo agoI don't care about AAA gaming either, it's stale but one day the AI bubble will kill something you cry about though.
- piva00 9mo agoThere are niches like sim racing which require a high powered GPU if you want to run ultrawide or triple screens though. Just saying that your grudges with AAA games have a blast effect you might not be aware of.
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- throwaway2027 9mo agoMaybe game companies will be forced to optimize their games and focus on innovative gameplay elements rather than graphics.
- wongarsu 9mo agoAAA game companies won't care, they'll just continue targeting the latest console. For most of them releasing on PC is a nice bonus, not a core part of their strategy
- Anonyneko 9mo agoBought a slightly overpriced, even by its own standards, 5090 in May, hope that it lasts me through the next five years of madness, and that the madness will have some kind of a temporary respite (or I luck out on a higher paying job, or figure out how to invest properly - it seems like a lottery these days). My only small regret is that I decided to build an SFF PC, otherwise I would've gone for 128 GB of RAM instead of just 64. Oh well, ̶6̶4̶0̶ ̶K̶B̶ 64 GB should be enough for most purposes.
- 827a 9mo agoIMO, sadly: the DIY PC world is on life support and will likely be something that isn't even really possible to do, for top-of-the-line performance, by 2028. I don't necessarily think that everything is going doomer "subscription based cloud streaming"; the economics of these services never made sense, especially for gaming, and there's little reason to believe that the same incentives that led to Nvidia, Crucial, etc wanting out of the consumer hardware business wouldn't also impact that business. Instead, the future is tightly integrated single-board computers (e.g. Framework Desktop, the new HP keyboard, Mac Mini, RPi, etc). They're easier for consumers to buy. Integrated memory, GPU, and cooling means we can drive higher performance. All of the components getting sourced by one supplier means the whole "X is leaving the consumer market" point is moot, and allows better bulk deals to be negotiated. They're smaller. It allows one company (e.g. Framework) to capture more margin than sharing with ten GPU or memory middle-men who just slap a sports car-looking cooler on whatever they bought from Micron and saying they're a real business. My lingering hope is that we do see some company succeed who can direct-sell these high-end SBCs to consumers, so if you want to go the route of a custom case and such, you still can. And that we don't lose modular storage. But I've lost all hope that DIY PCs will survive this decade; to be frank, they haven't made economic sense for a while.
- fc417fc802 9mo ago> All of the components getting sourced by one supplier means the whole "X is leaving the consumer market" point is moot, and allows better bulk deals to be negotiated. I don't think that checks out. The fabs are booked out AFAIU. This is going to hit SoCs (and anything else you can come up with) sooner rather than later because it all depends on the same fabs producing the same silicone at the end of the day. It's just packaged differently. They left the consumer market due to the price difference. It's not that there aren't middlemen willing to purchase in bulk right now. It's that the OEMs aren't willing to sell at any price because they've already sold their entire future inventory at absurd prices for the next however many months or years. I assume there will still be at least a few SoCs to choose from but the prices will likely be completely absurd because they will have to match the enterprise price for the components that go into them.
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- newsclues 9mo agoGamers are going to burn DC to the ground.
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- CivBase 9mo agoYou could say that about litterally anything. Food, housing, fuel, heat, water. There are always solutions for better optimizing global resource allocation - especially if you're willing to ignore the wants and rights of the people.
- Anonyneko 9mo agoIf it was easy enough to rent my desktop while I'm not using it (such that I can get it back whenever I need it myself, within a few minutes at most), I would happily do it.
- nerdjon 9mo agoDo you mean when the computer is not in use or “unused” in the sense that even when gaming it is just being used for gaming and not something “productive”. 2 very different arguments and not fully clear which you are trying to make.
- xnx 9mo ago> Do you mean when the computer is not in use This. No judgement on any particular use. Just worth a reminder that the most advanced machines every produced make this magic rocks that sit there idle most of the time.
- fluoridation 9mo agoIt'd probably be unwise 100% utilize every machine ever produced, just in terms of waste heat, but even just simple wear and tear.
- emsign 9mo agoRumors have it they'll stop producing gaming GPUs all together. :(
- JohnBooty 9mo agoIt's hard for me to believe they'll put 100% of their eggs into the AI basket, even if it's insanely more profitable than consumer GPUs at the moment. AI is simultaneously a bubble and here to stay (a bit like the "Web 1.0" bubble IMO) Also, importantly, consumer GPUs are still an important on-ramp for developers getting into nVidia's ecosystem via CUDA. Software is their real moat. There are other ways to provide that on-ramp, and nVidia would rather rent you the hardware than sell it to you anyway, but.... I dunno. Part of me says the rumors are true, part of me says the rumors are not true...
- infecto 9mo agoI don’t subscribe to all of this doom and gloom. I would like to consider myself a gamer and to be frank I used the same computer setup for since 2018 until I recently upgraded it in the past few months. Even with increased costs we are seeing the dollar spent per hour of entertainment is ridiculously cost effective.
- nerdjon 9mo agoIt will be interesting to see what the long term impact of this will be, the headline misses the biggest part that they (if the phrasing they use is correct) should be producing more of the lower speced (and cheaper) 5060 8GB model. So while the news is not great, I think it is far from any doom and gloom if we are in fact going to be getting more 5060 cards. As it is the value of the crazy higher speced cards was questionable with most developers targeting console specs anyways. But it does bring to question how this might impact the next generation of consoles and if those will be scaled back. We will likely be seeing some stagnation of capability for a couple years. Maybe once the bubble pops all the work that went into AI chips can come back to gaming chips and we can have a big leap in capability.
- etempleton 9mo agoI could see Nvidia completely stepping out of the low to mid range Desktop GPU space. The margins have to be peanuts compared to their other business lines.
- cmxch 9mo agoThey could hand that off to Intel, who doesn’t have any competitive cards in all but the lower to mid end.
- patapong 9mo agoVery curious about the second order effects of the hundreds of billions poured into LLMs. Perhaps even if LLMs do not pan out, we will have a massive increase in green energy production, grid enhancements and a leap in capacity for general-purpose computing over the next few years? Or maybe that is my naive side talking...
- tencentshill 9mo agoYou can't plug an H200 into your home desktop. Compute would be owned and rented out by server hosts.
- JohnBooty 9mo agoI agree that the potential is there for... something? I don't know what. The things you mentioned are possibilities for sure! Maybe another way to look at it is: with hundreds of billions being tossed around, could there possibly not be second-order effects? We'll see....
- zcw100 9mo agoHave some faith, if it really is an AI bubble and it pops imagine the deals you're going to get like when Etherium went to PoS.
- alecco 9mo agoConsolation prize, they will bring back the RTX 3060 8GB. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-to-bring-back-geforce-rtx-3060-q1-2026-tackle-memory-shortages/ https://wccftech.com/nvidia-to-bring-back-geforce-rtx-3060-q...