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Secret ICE Programs Revealed

35 points by jbegley 9mo ago

stevenalowe 9mo ago
The point about ICE’s actions and attitude coloring the public’s perception of all law enforcement is spot on. I would expect legit law enforcement to protect us from such thuggery, but instead they stand by and do nothing, or worse, actively assist.
- krapp 9mo ago
  ACAB was a thing long before anyone heard of ICE, as well as the "defund the police" movement after the George Floyd protests. The public's perception of law enforcement was already low, and rightly so.
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    There was some pushback from your average liberal because they thought that it was too extreme, that we needed some folks to protect us and enforce the laws. But with what's going on with ICE, I'm seeing even some of the staunchest whitest liberals finally realize that law enforcement simply cannot be trusted ever, and for good reason. The only people still arguing otherwise are either the old, wealthy democrats sitting on their asses as people get beaten in the streets or the would-be fascists barely keeping the mask on.
- nine_zeros 9mo ago
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ironbound 9mo ago
What's Palantir's federal contracts valued at like 900 million this year alone, seem's more like IBM selling counting machines if you know what I mean.
- DerArzt 9mo ago
  And for those that don't, OP is referencing that IBM sold counting machines to Hitler's Third Reich.
iammjm 9mo ago
As a European, it’s fairly easy to spot fascism. I fear Americans are less tuned to that as back then it didn’t happen directly in their backyards as it did here. The parallels of how Hitler came to and consolidated power are off the charts. What I find particularly interesting is the role of new media and technology in both cases: back then it was radio and TV and propagandists like Leni Riefenstahl; today it’s social media, AI and propagandists like Elon Musk. Nazis weren’t some devil-obsessed demons, they were regular people driven to the worst of their humanity by evil ideology and the government that explicitly orchestrated and demanded it. In the end, it took tens of millions of people to fix that; I fear the bill might come even higher this time
- ciupicri 9mo ago
  So who are they going to attack this time, the Jews again? Donald Trump and Beniamin Benjamin Netanyahu look like best friends.
  - jfengel 9mo ago
    Latinos and blacks, plus (as with the Nazis) homosexuals and anybody they can call a "communist". Jews are safe for the moment, but I wouldn't count on it forever. Netanyahu will not be in charge of Israel much longer. The new government will still want to be a US ally but is nowhere near as close to Trump and opposes a lot of the policies Netanyahu endorses.
- Zigurd 9mo ago
  Americans who haven't figured it out need to ask a German about that salute.
final_aeon 9mo ago
The screenshots of internal documents show positive results: "[...] resulted in 6 stash houses being identified" "[resulted in the] identification of 135 stash houses" "692 apprehensions" Collab with FBI, USBP... etc., etc. I don't see how this is supposed to look bad for ICE. It actually makes them look good.
- watwut 9mo ago
  It is the "they are terror group kind of like Gestapo" part. It is the "murder and then celebrate murder" part. The "kidnap people, beat them, throw them out" part. It is the "run out of the car, kidnap citizen" part. It is the "throw flashbang and teargas on law obeying people" part. It is the "blind a legal protester". With honorable mention of beating a female woman for going to doctor. It is also the "their violence is staggering" and "they operations have no respect to law" and "they actually intentionally terrorize citizens too" parts. All mentioned in article and well documented at this point.
  - final_aeon 9mo ago
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    - fzeroracer 9mo ago
      This seems like an attempt to avoid the argument rather than engage with it, because creating an imaginary world which we currently don't live in has nothing to do with the reality we're currently dealing with. The reality being that one informs the other. I know people that would agree in regular situations that we need some enforcement of immigration law. But this is not a regular situation, and when you have an agency tasked with 'enforcing' immigration law who is not enforcing the law at all and in fact violating the law, people question why said immigration laws and agency exists in the first place.
      - final_aeon 9mo ago
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35 points by jbegley 9mo ago

The point about ICE’s actions and attitude coloring the public’s perception of all law enforcement is spot on. I would expect legit law enforcement to protect us from such thuggery, but instead they stand by and do nothing, or worse, actively assist.

krapp 9mo ago
ACAB was a thing long before anyone heard of ICE, as well as the "defund the police" movement after the George Floyd protests. The public's perception of law enforcement was already low, and rightly so.
- fzeroracer 9mo ago
  There was some pushback from your average liberal because they thought that it was too extreme, that we needed some folks to protect us and enforce the laws. But with what's going on with ICE, I'm seeing even some of the staunchest whitest liberals finally realize that law enforcement simply cannot be trusted ever, and for good reason. The only people still arguing otherwise are either the old, wealthy democrats sitting on their asses as people get beaten in the streets or the would-be fascists barely keeping the mask on.
nine_zeros 9mo ago
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ironbound 9mo ago

What's Palantir's federal contracts valued at like 900 million this year alone, seem's more like IBM selling counting machines if you know what I mean.

DerArzt 9mo ago
And for those that don't, OP is referencing that IBM sold counting machines to Hitler's Third Reich.

iammjm 9mo ago

As a European, it’s fairly easy to spot fascism. I fear Americans are less tuned to that as back then it didn’t happen directly in their backyards as it did here. The parallels of how Hitler came to and consolidated power are off the charts. What I find particularly interesting is the role of new media and technology in both cases: back then it was radio and TV and propagandists like Leni Riefenstahl; today it’s social media, AI and propagandists like Elon Musk. Nazis weren’t some devil-obsessed demons, they were regular people driven to the worst of their humanity by evil ideology and the government that explicitly orchestrated and demanded it. In the end, it took tens of millions of people to fix that; I fear the bill might come even higher this time

ciupicri 9mo ago
So who are they going to attack this time, the Jews again? Donald Trump and Beniamin Benjamin Netanyahu look like best friends.
- jfengel 9mo ago
  Latinos and blacks, plus (as with the Nazis) homosexuals and anybody they can call a "communist". Jews are safe for the moment, but I wouldn't count on it forever. Netanyahu will not be in charge of Israel much longer. The new government will still want to be a US ally but is nowhere near as close to Trump and opposes a lot of the policies Netanyahu endorses.
Zigurd 9mo ago
Americans who haven't figured it out need to ask a German about that salute.

final_aeon 9mo ago

The screenshots of internal documents show positive results: "[...] resulted in 6 stash houses being identified" "[resulted in the] identification of 135 stash houses" "692 apprehensions" Collab with FBI, USBP... etc., etc. I don't see how this is supposed to look bad for ICE. It actually makes them look good.

watwut 9mo ago
It is the "they are terror group kind of like Gestapo" part. It is the "murder and then celebrate murder" part. The "kidnap people, beat them, throw them out" part. It is the "run out of the car, kidnap citizen" part. It is the "throw flashbang and teargas on law obeying people" part. It is the "blind a legal protester". With honorable mention of beating a female woman for going to doctor. It is also the "their violence is staggering" and "they operations have no respect to law" and "they actually intentionally terrorize citizens too" parts. All mentioned in article and well documented at this point.
- final_aeon 9mo ago
  [flagged]
  - fzeroracer 9mo ago
    This seems like an attempt to avoid the argument rather than engage with it, because creating an imaginary world which we currently don't live in has nothing to do with the reality we're currently dealing with. The reality being that one informs the other. I know people that would agree in regular situations that we need some enforcement of immigration law. But this is not a regular situation, and when you have an agency tasked with 'enforcing' immigration law who is not enforcing the law at all and in fact violating the law, people question why said immigration laws and agency exists in the first place.
    - final_aeon 9mo ago
      [flagged]