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> I was genuinely interested. Not anymore, but I do strongly hope that there will be an alternative someday. Apparently not today. Why are you no longer intere

> I was genuinely interested. Not anymore, but I do strongly hope that there will be an alternative someday. Apparently not today. Why are you no longer interested? The more eyes, the shallower the bugs, the more heads and hands, the sooner they're squashed and with that the the closer that alternative will be viable. It doesn't happen by itself, not back in the Netscape->Mozilla->Firefox days and not now. Run it besides your current browser for less critical tasks - like commenting here - and see how far you can take it. When it tells you it crashed - which for me has happened a few times, not the shell but the engine - see if you can recreate the crash and report it or - better still - submit a patch.

palata 9mo ago
> Why are you no longer interested? Because of your sermons :-). > The more eyes, the shallower the bugs Honestly at this point they don't seem to need help finding bugs or missing features. As long as the devs can find them in 10 seconds themselves, they don't need reports from users who won't contribute code.
- hagbard_c 9mo ago
  > Honestly at this point they don't seem to need help finding bugs or missing features. As long as the devs can find them in 10 seconds themselves, they don't need reports from users who won't contribute code. Then why, oh sage, does the project ask people to Get Involved [1] and tell those who click that button - the first prominent one on their landing page - the way to the code [2], the way to contribute [3], the way to build the project [4] and where to report any issues they run into [5]? Also, what is that nonsense about the developers being able to find them in 10 seconds themselves? It sounds to me like you've swallowed the LLM propaganda hook, line and sinker and consider field testing and bug reporting superfluous now that your personal Robby the Robot takes care of everything. Maybe he will, or maybe he won't, who knows? Talking about LLMs, the project does have some stipulations around using them to contribute [6] which spell out the reasons why Robby might not be as helpful as he seems to be. There is a current thread going on this subject related to one of the LLM companies pushing their latest iteration of a 'bugbot' [7] which might end up showing some pros and cons of this technology. It works fine until it doesn't, the problem is it will be just as confident spewing nonsense as it is when it has found real problems. It is up to you to decide when you're dealing with the former and when with the latter. [1] https://servo.org/contributing/ https://servo.org/contributing/ [2] https://github.com/servo/servo https://github.com/servo/servo [3] https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html [4] https://book.servo.org/building/building.html https://book.servo.org/building/building.html [5] https://github.com/servo/servo/issues https://github.com/servo/servo/issues [6] https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-... [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46643737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46643737

palata 9mo ago

> Why are you no longer interested? Because of your sermons :-). > The more eyes, the shallower the bugs Honestly at this point they don't seem to need help finding bugs or missing features. As long as the devs can find them in 10 seconds themselves, they don't need reports from users who won't contribute code.

hagbard_c 9mo ago
> Honestly at this point they don't seem to need help finding bugs or missing features. As long as the devs can find them in 10 seconds themselves, they don't need reports from users who won't contribute code. Then why, oh sage, does the project ask people to Get Involved [1] and tell those who click that button - the first prominent one on their landing page - the way to the code [2], the way to contribute [3], the way to build the project [4] and where to report any issues they run into [5]? Also, what is that nonsense about the developers being able to find them in 10 seconds themselves? It sounds to me like you've swallowed the LLM propaganda hook, line and sinker and consider field testing and bug reporting superfluous now that your personal Robby the Robot takes care of everything. Maybe he will, or maybe he won't, who knows? Talking about LLMs, the project does have some stipulations around using them to contribute [6] which spell out the reasons why Robby might not be as helpful as he seems to be. There is a current thread going on this subject related to one of the LLM companies pushing their latest iteration of a 'bugbot' [7] which might end up showing some pros and cons of this technology. It works fine until it doesn't, the problem is it will be just as confident spewing nonsense as it is when it has found real problems. It is up to you to decide when you're dealing with the former and when with the latter. [1] https://servo.org/contributing/ https://servo.org/contributing/ [2] https://github.com/servo/servo https://github.com/servo/servo [3] https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html [4] https://book.servo.org/building/building.html https://book.servo.org/building/building.html [5] https://github.com/servo/servo/issues https://github.com/servo/servo/issues [6] https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-... [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46643737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46643737