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It wasn't a philosophical disagreement, they needed some geo info from the DNS server to route requests so they could prevent spam and Cloudflare wasn't providi

by stavros 10mo ago

It wasn't a philosophical disagreement, they needed some geo info from the DNS server to route requests so they could prevent spam and Cloudflare wasn't providing it citing privacy reasons. The admin decided to block Cloudflare rather than deal with the spam.

arcfour 10mo ago
Had nothing to do with spam, the argument by archive.today that they needed EDNS client subnet info made no sense, they aren't anycasting with edge servers in every ISP PoP.
- ventegus 10mo ago
  They use EDNS for regional compliance, not for bandwidth optimization.
  - josephcsible 10mo ago
    What specific part of regional compliance actually needs this, and why does no other website seem to need it?
    - ventegus 10mo ago
      e.g. currently most media snapshots contain wartime propaganda forbidden at least somewhere. RT content verboten in Germany, DW content verboten in Russia, not to mention another dozen of hot spots. "Other websites" are completely inaccessible in certain regions. The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one.
      - arcfour 10mo ago
        That makes zero sense. You're aware that they get the client's actual IP upon connection? You're saying they have groups of servers with every possible permutation of censorship that they direct clients to through DNS? Absurd.
        ventegus 10mo ago
        They always direct clients to a server abroad. The task is exactly opposite to what CDNs do
      - josephcsible 10mo ago
        > The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one. Isn't that true of archive.org as well? Why doesn't it need EDNS then?
        ventegus 10mo ago
        Actually, I'm not entirely sure on how archive.org achieves its resiliency. It's a rather interesting question for archive.org, if one were to interview them, that is. Unlike archive.today, they don't appear to have any issues with e.g. child pornography content, despite certainly hosting a hundred times more material. They have some strong magic which makes the cheap tricks needless.

by stavros 10mo ago

arcfour 10mo ago

Had nothing to do with spam, the argument by archive.today that they needed EDNS client subnet info made no sense, they aren't anycasting with edge servers in every ISP PoP.

ventegus 10mo ago
They use EDNS for regional compliance, not for bandwidth optimization.
- josephcsible 10mo ago
  What specific part of regional compliance actually needs this, and why does no other website seem to need it?
  - ventegus 10mo ago
    e.g. currently most media snapshots contain wartime propaganda forbidden at least somewhere. RT content verboten in Germany, DW content verboten in Russia, not to mention another dozen of hot spots. "Other websites" are completely inaccessible in certain regions. The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one.
    - arcfour 10mo ago
      That makes zero sense. You're aware that they get the client's actual IP upon connection? You're saying they have groups of servers with every possible permutation of censorship that they direct clients to through DNS? Absurd.
      - ventegus 10mo ago
        They always direct clients to a server abroad. The task is exactly opposite to what CDNs do
    - josephcsible 10mo ago
      > The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one. Isn't that true of archive.org as well? Why doesn't it need EDNS then?
      - ventegus 10mo ago
        Actually, I'm not entirely sure on how archive.org achieves its resiliency. It's a rather interesting question for archive.org, if one were to interview them, that is. Unlike archive.today, they don't appear to have any issues with e.g. child pornography content, despite certainly hosting a hundred times more material. They have some strong magic which makes the cheap tricks needless.