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Remember when Archive.is/today used to send Cloudflare DNS users into an endless captcha loop because the creator had some kind of philosophical disagreement wi

by rafram 9mo ago

Remember when Archive.is/today used to send Cloudflare DNS users into an endless captcha loop because the creator had some kind of philosophical disagreement with Cloudflare? Not the first time they’ve done something petty like this.

NedF 9mo ago
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AndroTux 9mo ago
That's still a thing. Happens to me as we speak.
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  For me it just doesn't resolve at all on Cloudflare dns. So annoying.
stavros 9mo ago
It wasn't a philosophical disagreement, they needed some geo info from the DNS server to route requests so they could prevent spam and Cloudflare wasn't providing it citing privacy reasons. The admin decided to block Cloudflare rather than deal with the spam.
- arcfour 9mo ago
  Had nothing to do with spam, the argument by archive.today that they needed EDNS client subnet info made no sense, they aren't anycasting with edge servers in every ISP PoP.
  - ventegus 9mo ago
    They use EDNS for regional compliance, not for bandwidth optimization.
    - josephcsible 9mo ago
      What specific part of regional compliance actually needs this, and why does no other website seem to need it?
      - ventegus 9mo ago
        e.g. currently most media snapshots contain wartime propaganda forbidden at least somewhere. RT content verboten in Germany, DW content verboten in Russia, not to mention another dozen of hot spots. "Other websites" are completely inaccessible in certain regions. The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one.
        arcfour 9mo ago
        That makes zero sense. You're aware that they get the client's actual IP upon connection? You're saying they have groups of servers with every possible permutation of censorship that they direct clients to through DNS? Absurd.
        ventegus 9mo ago
        They always direct clients to a server abroad. The task is exactly opposite to what CDNs do
        josephcsible 9mo ago
        > The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one. Isn't that true of archive.org as well? Why doesn't it need EDNS then?
        ventegus 9mo ago
        Actually, I'm not entirely sure on how archive.org achieves its resiliency. It's a rather interesting question for archive.org, if one were to interview them, that is. Unlike archive.today, they don't appear to have any issues with e.g. child pornography content, despite certainly hosting a hundred times more material. They have some strong magic which makes the cheap tricks needless.

by rafram 9mo ago

NedF 9mo ago

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AndroTux 9mo ago

That's still a thing. Happens to me as we speak.

wolvoleo 9mo ago
For me it just doesn't resolve at all on Cloudflare dns. So annoying.

stavros 9mo ago

It wasn't a philosophical disagreement, they needed some geo info from the DNS server to route requests so they could prevent spam and Cloudflare wasn't providing it citing privacy reasons. The admin decided to block Cloudflare rather than deal with the spam.

arcfour 9mo ago
Had nothing to do with spam, the argument by archive.today that they needed EDNS client subnet info made no sense, they aren't anycasting with edge servers in every ISP PoP.
- ventegus 9mo ago
  They use EDNS for regional compliance, not for bandwidth optimization.
  - josephcsible 9mo ago
    What specific part of regional compliance actually needs this, and why does no other website seem to need it?
    - ventegus 9mo ago
      e.g. currently most media snapshots contain wartime propaganda forbidden at least somewhere. RT content verboten in Germany, DW content verboten in Russia, not to mention another dozen of hot spots. "Other websites" are completely inaccessible in certain regions. The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one.
      - arcfour 9mo ago
        That makes zero sense. You're aware that they get the client's actual IP upon connection? You're saying they have groups of servers with every possible permutation of censorship that they direct clients to through DNS? Absurd.
        ventegus 9mo ago
        They always direct clients to a server abroad. The task is exactly opposite to what CDNs do
      - josephcsible 9mo ago
        > The Archive has stuff from all of them, so there’s basically no place on Earth where it could work without tricks like the EDNS one. Isn't that true of archive.org as well? Why doesn't it need EDNS then?
        ventegus 9mo ago
        Actually, I'm not entirely sure on how archive.org achieves its resiliency. It's a rather interesting question for archive.org, if one were to interview them, that is. Unlike archive.today, they don't appear to have any issues with e.g. child pornography content, despite certainly hosting a hundred times more material. They have some strong magic which makes the cheap tricks needless.