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> Apple believes the Vision Pro is an iPad Minus Well you don't have to use the touchscreen, which was always rather awkward for many tasks, particularly anyth

> Apple believes the Vision Pro is an iPad Minus Well you don't have to use the touchscreen, which was always rather awkward for many tasks, particularly anything productivity oriented. Even on my laptop i basically never use windows, but I still find the ipad to be unusable for anything but browsing and reading books and scrolling. I'm sure they can do more. I'm just not sure "more" has anything to do with dragging windows around. But maybe it's just me; I think it's easier to command-tab (or opt-tab) around than use my eyes. Unless I need to drag something between windows, which only happens about once a month or so.

Nevermark 9mo ago
> I'm sure they can do more. I'm just not sure "more" has anything to do with dragging windows around. You get one Mac "window", with all your other windows jammed into it, as is necessary for physical screens, but entirely unnecessary for real 3D space. Those "windows" could be frames containing three dimensional graphs, design structures, the list goes on and on. The combo of eye selection, gestures + keyboard and trackpad are already wonderful. They need a little smoothing out, but work great already. The contrast in power between Mac-in-Vision vs. the iPad-like-apps in Vision is dismal. The former is power but artificially flat and constrained, the latter is toy but with huge interface potential. The obvious software imposed (not hardware) gap in the middle, when using both, is enormous. The device is made for so much more. As in, real computing in the "spacial computing". Otherwise, it is just a toy or an expensive Mac screen replacement. A waste of what should be a huge new category win for Apple.
- GrowingSideways 9mo ago
  Man, I just want to code from a more relaxing neck angle. I don't think all this is going to be very useful for that. I'm sure these ideas will be useful for something, but.... people have been talking about minority report for decades and trying to materialize it always ends up wasting attention processing too much at once.
  - Nevermark 9mo ago
    For whatever reason, Apple delivered the hardware. But kneecapped the software. They seem to see everything since the iPhone as a kiosk first, computer second. Which makes some degree of sense, Mac with keyboard/trackpad assumed vs. iOS/touch (with optional keyboard/trackpad) and covering many smaller sized screens. But the Vision has much wider interface and interaction potential than Mac, not less. If Apple would let the Pro version of Vision, be a Spacial Mac. The new power high end. (With a Vision Air, for the iOS-like, consumer, lower end market.)
    - satvikpendem 9mo ago
      Well, how else are they going to keep up their services revenue? Because at the end of the day, that's why they created the walled garden in the first place.
  - wolvoleo 9mo ago
    > Man, I just want to code from a more relaxing neck angle. Then just get an Xreal air. You can buy 20 of them for the price of one vision pro, and they work great as a simple display.
    - bookofjoe 9mo ago
      $3,500 divided by $199[https://www.rayneo.com/products/rayneo-air-3s-xr-glasses?variant=50763884724511&dm_cam=23264128516&dm_grp=&dm_ad=&dm_kw=&dm_net=adwords&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23259900167&gbraid=0AAAAAqVzIIoPI0qQfX83--UkeLV2jCwr_&gclid=CjwKCAiA4KfLBhB0EiwAUY7GAeXq9DsiFsS7iF1-0zcby9InY6sJdWnNhxx37Z8ID1V4InhwU_BbyhoCjswQAvD_BwE https://www.rayneo.com/products/rayneo-air-3s-xr-glasses?var...] = 17: close enough!
      - wolvoleo 9mo ago
        Oh yeah I was going by European prices where the AVP is more than 4000€ including VAT and my xreal air was 199€ also including VAT

Nevermark 9mo ago

> I'm sure they can do more. I'm just not sure "more" has anything to do with dragging windows around. You get one Mac "window", with all your other windows jammed into it, as is necessary for physical screens, but entirely unnecessary for real 3D space. Those "windows" could be frames containing three dimensional graphs, design structures, the list goes on and on. The combo of eye selection, gestures + keyboard and trackpad are already wonderful. They need a little smoothing out, but work great already. The contrast in power between Mac-in-Vision vs. the iPad-like-apps in Vision is dismal. The former is power but artificially flat and constrained, the latter is toy but with huge interface potential. The obvious software imposed (not hardware) gap in the middle, when using both, is enormous. The device is made for so much more. As in, real computing in the "spacial computing". Otherwise, it is just a toy or an expensive Mac screen replacement. A waste of what should be a huge new category win for Apple.

GrowingSideways 9mo ago
Man, I just want to code from a more relaxing neck angle. I don't think all this is going to be very useful for that. I'm sure these ideas will be useful for something, but.... people have been talking about minority report for decades and trying to materialize it always ends up wasting attention processing too much at once.
- Nevermark 9mo ago
  For whatever reason, Apple delivered the hardware. But kneecapped the software. They seem to see everything since the iPhone as a kiosk first, computer second. Which makes some degree of sense, Mac with keyboard/trackpad assumed vs. iOS/touch (with optional keyboard/trackpad) and covering many smaller sized screens. But the Vision has much wider interface and interaction potential than Mac, not less. If Apple would let the Pro version of Vision, be a Spacial Mac. The new power high end. (With a Vision Air, for the iOS-like, consumer, lower end market.)
  - satvikpendem 9mo ago
    Well, how else are they going to keep up their services revenue? Because at the end of the day, that's why they created the walled garden in the first place.
- wolvoleo 9mo ago
  > Man, I just want to code from a more relaxing neck angle. Then just get an Xreal air. You can buy 20 of them for the price of one vision pro, and they work great as a simple display.
  - bookofjoe 9mo ago
    $3,500 divided by $199[https://www.rayneo.com/products/rayneo-air-3s-xr-glasses?variant=50763884724511&dm_cam=23264128516&dm_grp=&dm_ad=&dm_kw=&dm_net=adwords&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23259900167&gbraid=0AAAAAqVzIIoPI0qQfX83--UkeLV2jCwr_&gclid=CjwKCAiA4KfLBhB0EiwAUY7GAeXq9DsiFsS7iF1-0zcby9InY6sJdWnNhxx37Z8ID1V4InhwU_BbyhoCjswQAvD_BwE https://www.rayneo.com/products/rayneo-air-3s-xr-glasses?var...] = 17: close enough!
    - wolvoleo 9mo ago
      Oh yeah I was going by European prices where the AVP is more than 4000€ including VAT and my xreal air was 199€ also including VAT