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Precious photos disappear

22 points by sarvesh 18y ago

robotron 18y ago
Another argument for not relying too heavily on the cloud. Keep local backups and tell your parents/grandparents/whoever to keep local backups.
- pavel_lishin 18y ago
  Local backups and a few offsite backups, too. Recently paranoia has hit, and I'm planning on storing everything that I hold dear in at least two online locations and two local ones.
  - vijayshankar 18y ago
    This brings up a new question to me. How to decide on the number of and kind of backups?
    - crk 18y ago
      Before my son was born, I just backed up everything on my local server, as well as one of my webservers. Since a few of my close friends now have children, we all host local backups of each other's photos. We started that after a friend had a house fire and lost all their photos stored on a local server. I also do a yearly photobook with DVD(s) for my son. The photo book has the best pictures, with the back story for each. The DVD(s) has all our family pictures and videos worth saving for that year. I send out copies to my son's grandparents and great grandparents.
      - TooMuchNick 18y ago
        Wow, it's the buddy system for backup! That's a great solution to the psychological barrier: usually, no one but you can tell you to backup your personal data. I went to a Christian college where everyone was issued laptops, so several of my friends used a special program to share their web histories with "accountability partners." Then they could monitor each other's porn use, ideally to keep them from looking at any porn. Having backup buddies reminds me of that (without the scary religious suppression of natural urges). In fact, I might be better at making sure my friend shows me photos of his family than making sure I back up my own. Of course, that's one thing cloud computing was supposed to solve in the first place.
    - FlorinAndrei 18y ago
      The more the merrier, duh. Stop multiplying the copies when the effort becomes too big.
      - TooMuchNick 18y ago
        And because you will by default be lazier than you should be, sit back right now and think of some worst-case scenarios that would screw up the projects you're currently working on, and write down what you need to do to avoid those. Living out the disaster scenario in your head may preempt living it out in reality. Because right now my backup harddrive broke and my checking account is in the red, my personal lazy backup system for day-to-day important files is Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://www.getdropbox.com/ If I'm missing an obvious free solution that doesn't require me dragging folders into Dropbox every day or two, please let me know.
- callmeed 18y ago
  There was a "cloud" in 2005?
  - lanaer 18y ago
    The buzzword did not yet exist, but the pattern of keeping stuff online did (even though it was not as popular as now).
- jcapote 18y ago
  What cloud? She wasn't even paying for the service...
anthonyrubin 18y ago
What is the deal with the second half of the article?
- pixelbath 18y ago
  I noticed the same thing in an LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/sports/custom/morningbriefing/la-sp-random4-2009feb04,0,366994.story http://www.latimes.com/sports/custom/morningbriefing/la-sp-r... Maybe it's search engine crawler food?
- sarvesh 18y ago
  Doesn't look like they intended to do that, ignore it.
FlorinAndrei 18y ago
Make multiple copies of everything. One copy on your media server - you know, the one you access via the PS3 or some other UPnP client in your living room. One copy on a USB drive stored in a bank safe, ideally not too close physically to your home. One copy (or more) distributed to your parents, in-laws, etc. Bonus points if they live in a different area. Synchronize copies once in a while.
callmeed 18y ago
HN needs a "blast from the past" category or something. Yes, there are valuable lessons here, but I was still in my twenties when this article was written. With the price of cloud storage these days, there's no reason to delete a user's data because of inactivity. We don't do it at nextproof–then again, we charge based on storage.
Timothee 18y ago
From this article, I'd take this user experience lesson: "It does, and in fact may start alerting members to the looming demise of their photo albums when they log on to the site -- a much more consumer- friendly approach." You can't always rely on the email address you have on file. Since she was still using the service, doubling the message on the UI would have worked.
patio11 18y ago
And people wonder why some pay money for Smugmug when there are free options available. I don't: they're pretty fanatical about making sure that this never happens to them. I can't remember the blog post about it where they discussed how many redundant hardware installations they had prior to moving to Amazon, but their sales page conveys the general impression: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/photo-video-backup/ http://www.smugmug.com/photos/photo-video-backup/

22 points by sarvesh 18y ago

Another argument for not relying too heavily on the cloud. Keep local backups and tell your parents/grandparents/whoever to keep local backups.

pavel_lishin 18y ago
Local backups and a few offsite backups, too. Recently paranoia has hit, and I'm planning on storing everything that I hold dear in at least two online locations and two local ones.
- vijayshankar 18y ago
  This brings up a new question to me. How to decide on the number of and kind of backups?
  - crk 18y ago
    Before my son was born, I just backed up everything on my local server, as well as one of my webservers. Since a few of my close friends now have children, we all host local backups of each other's photos. We started that after a friend had a house fire and lost all their photos stored on a local server. I also do a yearly photobook with DVD(s) for my son. The photo book has the best pictures, with the back story for each. The DVD(s) has all our family pictures and videos worth saving for that year. I send out copies to my son's grandparents and great grandparents.
    - TooMuchNick 18y ago
      Wow, it's the buddy system for backup! That's a great solution to the psychological barrier: usually, no one but you can tell you to backup your personal data. I went to a Christian college where everyone was issued laptops, so several of my friends used a special program to share their web histories with "accountability partners." Then they could monitor each other's porn use, ideally to keep them from looking at any porn. Having backup buddies reminds me of that (without the scary religious suppression of natural urges). In fact, I might be better at making sure my friend shows me photos of his family than making sure I back up my own. Of course, that's one thing cloud computing was supposed to solve in the first place.
  - FlorinAndrei 18y ago
    The more the merrier, duh. Stop multiplying the copies when the effort becomes too big.
    - TooMuchNick 18y ago
      And because you will by default be lazier than you should be, sit back right now and think of some worst-case scenarios that would screw up the projects you're currently working on, and write down what you need to do to avoid those. Living out the disaster scenario in your head may preempt living it out in reality. Because right now my backup harddrive broke and my checking account is in the red, my personal lazy backup system for day-to-day important files is Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://www.getdropbox.com/ If I'm missing an obvious free solution that doesn't require me dragging folders into Dropbox every day or two, please let me know.
callmeed 18y ago
There was a "cloud" in 2005?
- lanaer 18y ago
  The buzzword did not yet exist, but the pattern of keeping stuff online did (even though it was not as popular as now).
jcapote 18y ago
What cloud? She wasn't even paying for the service...

anthonyrubin 18y ago

What is the deal with the second half of the article?

pixelbath 18y ago
I noticed the same thing in an LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/sports/custom/morningbriefing/la-sp-random4-2009feb04,0,366994.story http://www.latimes.com/sports/custom/morningbriefing/la-sp-r... Maybe it's search engine crawler food?
sarvesh 18y ago
Doesn't look like they intended to do that, ignore it.

FlorinAndrei 18y ago

Make multiple copies of everything. One copy on your media server - you know, the one you access via the PS3 or some other UPnP client in your living room. One copy on a USB drive stored in a bank safe, ideally not too close physically to your home. One copy (or more) distributed to your parents, in-laws, etc. Bonus points if they live in a different area. Synchronize copies once in a while.

callmeed 18y ago

HN needs a "blast from the past" category or something. Yes, there are valuable lessons here, but I was still in my twenties when this article was written. With the price of cloud storage these days, there's no reason to delete a user's data because of inactivity. We don't do it at nextproof–then again, we charge based on storage.

Timothee 18y ago

From this article, I'd take this user experience lesson: "It does, and in fact may start alerting members to the looming demise of their photo albums when they log on to the site -- a much more consumer- friendly approach." You can't always rely on the email address you have on file. Since she was still using the service, doubling the message on the UI would have worked.

patio11 18y ago

And people wonder why some pay money for Smugmug when there are free options available. I don't: they're pretty fanatical about making sure that this never happens to them. I can't remember the blog post about it where they discussed how many redundant hardware installations they had prior to moving to Amazon, but their sales page conveys the general impression: http://www.smugmug.com/photos/photo-video-backup/ http://www.smugmug.com/photos/photo-video-backup/