4 ms·
But the society doesn't extend the same obligations or benefits. Non permanent residents and citizens are treated as second class citizens both in their financi
by akiselev 14y ago
But the society doesn't extend the same obligations or benefits. Non permanent residents and citizens are treated as second class citizens both in their financial prospects (paying the same taxes, not receiving the same benefits in SS, Medicare/aid, unemployment benefits, and especially federal financial aid among many others). Many immigrants never receive these benefits because they are forced out before they are eligible to realize them.
The penalties for any breach of the obligations also happen to be harder on many immigrants. For many, even those who are permanent residents, breaking a law that would result in probation or even a misdemeanor can result in deportation. For many, this is worse than prison. (For example, if deported I would be forced into the corrupt military of an anti-American country where 300+ people die annually from hazing alone and where I am barely fluent in the language).
The US totally has a right to control it's own borders but don't try to justify it. The immigration system of the US is at best broken, at worst inhumane.
- rayiner 14y agoThat's an argument for more strict immigration, not less. We shouldn't let in anyone we're not willing to extend all the benefits of citizenship to.
- intended 14y agoThe original point you were making though is undermined here - as he points out, the community is getting more out of H1-Bs/potential immigrants than it is necessarily giving back. That goes against the narrative your are backing - i.e. societies subsidize care and education of all - including immigrants, and hence should have natural rights in controlling membership. The way it is currently set up, there are several bars and challenges in being naturalized, and you really have to work at it if you want it.