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Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is

Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

aeonik 9mo ago
Vans usually have a very difficult time off-road or in mountainous terrain. Vans are commonly used in urban areas, especially by businesses, but suburbs, rural, and construction benefit from higher clearences of SUVs and trucks. SUVs are also usually much better in hazardous driving conditions because of a more optimal weight distribution.
- 3ple_alpha 9mo ago
  Vans work just fine on mountain roads. And driving off road is simply not a thing for like 99% of drivers. Reality is, people buy these things thinking they would drive them off road, and never actually do it. It's possible to make an off-road van, by the way. It's just that real demand is so vanishingly small that you don't really see them.
  - aeonik 9mo ago
    Having grown up in the mountains, and currently living in a hilly snowy area, no thanks I'll keep my SUV. My in laws have a mini van, and it's not great. I deal and have dealt with enough deep snow that would eat a van. I still might get a Sienna Hybrid for daily commuter
    - tempest_ 9mo ago
      He said Van, not mini van. I think you two are thinking of different vehicles.
      - aeonik 9mo ago
        I like sprinter vans, but they won't fit in my garage. It also makes more sense for me to get a large SUV, as towing is important. The SUV or Truck is still more capable in hazardous road/off-road conditions compared to the van. Though in my current neck of the woods, a Sprinter would satisfy my needs well.
- paddy_m 9mo ago
  I can't take this comment seriously unless you are buying snow tires. If you have snow tires, and you still can't get where you want in the winter, sure get 4wd. I had a RWD pickup with snow tires and went anywhere I wanted to through two utah winters and many vermont ones too.
mattbrewsbytes 9mo ago
Some "yanks" align their identity with their vehicle. There are songs about trucks but yes a van or mini-van are more flexible. There are many that buy trucks for off road capabilities but probably 70% or more of truck owners don't go off road more than once a year. Many pick up truck models, like stock versions with crew cabs, are too long and not equipped for serious off-road use. Shallow sand/snow they can handle but so can SUVs.
tyre 9mo ago
Vans don't project manliness. Most people don't use pickup trucks for pickup truck things. They'd be fine with a station wagon, but they have self-confidence issues.
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- NoGravitas 9mo ago
  This is the main thing. The US is very, very weird in terms of how it genders every possible lifestyle choice, and polices those gender norms. The rise of SUVs in the US was partly driven by things like inconsistent emissions standards, but also by the need to make a more "masculine" alternative to the minivan or station wagon.
  - Der_Einzige 9mo ago
    Euros claiming we gender everything in the USA as though their romance languages don't arbitrarily gender literally every noun.
- jahsome 8mo ago
  I paint my fingernails so I'm not exactly concerned with projecting masculine energy. I just don't like the roof over the cargo area. It feels limiting. Also my primary use case of hauling lawn debris would aggravate my asthma way too much.
stephenhuey 9mo ago
Indeed. It's because of the fashion preferences of American SUV and pickup buyers. I can attest to the fact that minivans are much more comfortable. I picked up my Pacifica hybrid minivan in early 2021 before the price hike and it was a steal compared to SUVs and pickups. When I was doing paperwork for the vehicle at the Chrysler dealership, I was chatting with some sales guys and discovered the shocking fact they had recently sold a luxuriously loaded-down pickup for over $100K. I was fortunate to easily haggle with them over my minivan because they don't make much money on minivans so they focus on pickups, Jeeps, etc. A couple decades ago, I had started looking to replace an old hand-me-down car from my grandma, and had been mulling over whether I could ever justify spending $30K on an Infiniti at that time. My boss at work got a new pickup, and he was rather proud of it, and I innocently asked if it cost $25K because plenty of my Texan relatives had driven them over the years and I assumed they were a no-frills working man's practical vehicle. After a brief pause, he answered, "It was a little over 40 thousand." That was over 20 years ago.
irishcoffee 9mo ago
I wouldn't want to haul 3 yards of dirt/mulch in a van, or yard refuse. I wouldn't want to try and move a full-sized fridge in a van, or a queen bed box spring, neither will fit. I can't fit an ATV in a van, and I really don't want to put a dead deer in the back of a van after I hunt one. I wouldn't trust a van to haul 75 8x8x16 concrete bricks (over 2000 lbs/1100kg) because the suspension wasn't designed to do that, nor was the transmission, and the van will quickly deteriorate. How about moving a couch? Fits in the truck, not in a van. I did all of those things in the past 12 months. All that being said, vans are great, especially with kids. They absolutely do not replace trucks... if you use the truck and don't mind getting it dirty. Shiny trucks with 5.5ft beds are fucking stupid. My kids all laugh at "trucks with a baby bed" these days. Or, downthread, people just assume everyone with a truck is insecure, projecting wealth, and generally ignorant. Which ironically, is a very ignorant take.
- pmyteh 9mo ago
  The larger vans used by tradespeople in the UK, like a full size Ford Transit, would be fine with those loads (though I agree I wouldn't stick a dead deer in one as they're harder to hose out than a pickup bed). 10ft long loadspace, 1400kg payload, plenty of room for couches, beds and things. They're quite different beasts than the smaller kind like a minivan with removable seats. Plus it rains so much here that having a roof on is generally an advantage. There are some pickups here, having said that: more rural utilities people, or landscapers who move lots of dirt, or farmers, might have one. They tend to be smaller than an F-150, but then everything's smaller in Britain including the roads...
- driverdan 9mo ago
  Most of what you said is not true, at least for a full sized van. Sure you may not want to get it dirty inside, that makes sense. But they have more space than an 8' pickup bed. You can absolutely carry 2000lbs in a 1 ton van. An ATV or a couch will fit in one better than a pickup.
  - wooger 9mo ago
    Yep, the bed of a van being 2-3 feet lower than a truck saves a lot of pointless effort, and having that load carried lower makes far more sense.
dylan604 9mo ago
Yanks never got cool vans. Vans also became synonymous with Chester the Molester. Yanks also had Chevy Astro as an option. I grew up with the family owning a full sized custom van with 2 rows of captain chairs and the third row bench folding out into a bed. From all of the bitching in the driveway, vans were not pleasant to work on the engine. Some of them had to remove a cover from inside the van to gain access, and that cover tended to not be well insulated and was the source of a lot of heat. Not much of a firewall as a car with the engine fully separated from the passenger compartment. There were a lot of things people did not like about vans available in the land of Yanks. The Limey vans are not the same, so do not equate your experience as being the same.
- tempest_ 9mo ago
  Vans had tones of popularity. They are an iconic part of 60s culture(minibus) and 80s as well(A Team van) There are two current reasons - Millennials grew up in minivans and its viewed as a mom mobile and they don't want that look (despite the fact that most family SUVs are basically mini vans with out the sliders - US laws favour light trucks
debatem1 9mo ago
Anecdotally, a lot more people in the US tow. And pickup trucks are the indisputable king of towing. There's also the fact that it's a lot harder to take the top off a van than it is to add a top to the bed of a pickup. If I sometimes moved manure and had a van... I'd probably rent a trailer.
sellmesoap 9mo ago
I love a van, but they're a pain to work on compared to a full size truck. Like a popular minivan that has a 5 hour book time to do a simple tuneup. Reaching the plugs between the firewall is most of that time. Same with compact PCs, it's a puzzle to get everything in your 7L case.
mlrtime 9mo ago
The same reason we don't like wagons. The 70s/80s screwed them up big time. They were big ugly garabge cars. I love fast wagons, but they are dying here.
coredog64 9mo ago
The powertrain packaging for vans is much tighter than for trucks. Who amongst us remembers removing the interior to change sparkplugs 6 and 8 in a GMC Vandura? Even if you're not going to do the knuckle-skinning work yourself, the packaging negatively influences book rates when you take it to a shop
jahsome 8mo ago
"infinitely" more flexible is kinda laughable -- Van's have a height restriction. They're inherently more limited.

aeonik 9mo ago

Vans usually have a very difficult time off-road or in mountainous terrain. Vans are commonly used in urban areas, especially by businesses, but suburbs, rural, and construction benefit from higher clearences of SUVs and trucks. SUVs are also usually much better in hazardous driving conditions because of a more optimal weight distribution.

3ple_alpha 9mo ago
Vans work just fine on mountain roads. And driving off road is simply not a thing for like 99% of drivers. Reality is, people buy these things thinking they would drive them off road, and never actually do it. It's possible to make an off-road van, by the way. It's just that real demand is so vanishingly small that you don't really see them.
- aeonik 9mo ago
  Having grown up in the mountains, and currently living in a hilly snowy area, no thanks I'll keep my SUV. My in laws have a mini van, and it's not great. I deal and have dealt with enough deep snow that would eat a van. I still might get a Sienna Hybrid for daily commuter
  - tempest_ 9mo ago
    He said Van, not mini van. I think you two are thinking of different vehicles.
    - aeonik 9mo ago
      I like sprinter vans, but they won't fit in my garage. It also makes more sense for me to get a large SUV, as towing is important. The SUV or Truck is still more capable in hazardous road/off-road conditions compared to the van. Though in my current neck of the woods, a Sprinter would satisfy my needs well.
paddy_m 9mo ago
I can't take this comment seriously unless you are buying snow tires. If you have snow tires, and you still can't get where you want in the winter, sure get 4wd. I had a RWD pickup with snow tires and went anywhere I wanted to through two utah winters and many vermont ones too.

mattbrewsbytes 9mo ago

Some "yanks" align their identity with their vehicle. There are songs about trucks but yes a van or mini-van are more flexible. There are many that buy trucks for off road capabilities but probably 70% or more of truck owners don't go off road more than once a year. Many pick up truck models, like stock versions with crew cabs, are too long and not equipped for serious off-road use. Shallow sand/snow they can handle but so can SUVs.

tyre 9mo ago

Vans don't project manliness. Most people don't use pickup trucks for pickup truck things. They'd be fine with a station wagon, but they have self-confidence issues.

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NoGravitas 9mo ago
This is the main thing. The US is very, very weird in terms of how it genders every possible lifestyle choice, and polices those gender norms. The rise of SUVs in the US was partly driven by things like inconsistent emissions standards, but also by the need to make a more "masculine" alternative to the minivan or station wagon.
- Der_Einzige 9mo ago
  Euros claiming we gender everything in the USA as though their romance languages don't arbitrarily gender literally every noun.
jahsome 8mo ago
I paint my fingernails so I'm not exactly concerned with projecting masculine energy. I just don't like the roof over the cargo area. It feels limiting. Also my primary use case of hauling lawn debris would aggravate my asthma way too much.

stephenhuey 9mo ago

Indeed. It's because of the fashion preferences of American SUV and pickup buyers. I can attest to the fact that minivans are much more comfortable. I picked up my Pacifica hybrid minivan in early 2021 before the price hike and it was a steal compared to SUVs and pickups. When I was doing paperwork for the vehicle at the Chrysler dealership, I was chatting with some sales guys and discovered the shocking fact they had recently sold a luxuriously loaded-down pickup for over $100K. I was fortunate to easily haggle with them over my minivan because they don't make much money on minivans so they focus on pickups, Jeeps, etc. A couple decades ago, I had started looking to replace an old hand-me-down car from my grandma, and had been mulling over whether I could ever justify spending $30K on an Infiniti at that time. My boss at work got a new pickup, and he was rather proud of it, and I innocently asked if it cost $25K because plenty of my Texan relatives had driven them over the years and I assumed they were a no-frills working man's practical vehicle. After a brief pause, he answered, "It was a little over 40 thousand." That was over 20 years ago.

irishcoffee 9mo ago

I wouldn't want to haul 3 yards of dirt/mulch in a van, or yard refuse. I wouldn't want to try and move a full-sized fridge in a van, or a queen bed box spring, neither will fit. I can't fit an ATV in a van, and I really don't want to put a dead deer in the back of a van after I hunt one. I wouldn't trust a van to haul 75 8x8x16 concrete bricks (over 2000 lbs/1100kg) because the suspension wasn't designed to do that, nor was the transmission, and the van will quickly deteriorate. How about moving a couch? Fits in the truck, not in a van. I did all of those things in the past 12 months. All that being said, vans are great, especially with kids. They absolutely do not replace trucks... if you use the truck and don't mind getting it dirty. Shiny trucks with 5.5ft beds are fucking stupid. My kids all laugh at "trucks with a baby bed" these days. Or, downthread, people just assume everyone with a truck is insecure, projecting wealth, and generally ignorant. Which ironically, is a very ignorant take.

pmyteh 9mo ago
The larger vans used by tradespeople in the UK, like a full size Ford Transit, would be fine with those loads (though I agree I wouldn't stick a dead deer in one as they're harder to hose out than a pickup bed). 10ft long loadspace, 1400kg payload, plenty of room for couches, beds and things. They're quite different beasts than the smaller kind like a minivan with removable seats. Plus it rains so much here that having a roof on is generally an advantage. There are some pickups here, having said that: more rural utilities people, or landscapers who move lots of dirt, or farmers, might have one. They tend to be smaller than an F-150, but then everything's smaller in Britain including the roads...
driverdan 9mo ago
Most of what you said is not true, at least for a full sized van. Sure you may not want to get it dirty inside, that makes sense. But they have more space than an 8' pickup bed. You can absolutely carry 2000lbs in a 1 ton van. An ATV or a couch will fit in one better than a pickup.
- wooger 9mo ago
  Yep, the bed of a van being 2-3 feet lower than a truck saves a lot of pointless effort, and having that load carried lower makes far more sense.

dylan604 9mo ago

Yanks never got cool vans. Vans also became synonymous with Chester the Molester. Yanks also had Chevy Astro as an option. I grew up with the family owning a full sized custom van with 2 rows of captain chairs and the third row bench folding out into a bed. From all of the bitching in the driveway, vans were not pleasant to work on the engine. Some of them had to remove a cover from inside the van to gain access, and that cover tended to not be well insulated and was the source of a lot of heat. Not much of a firewall as a car with the engine fully separated from the passenger compartment. There were a lot of things people did not like about vans available in the land of Yanks. The Limey vans are not the same, so do not equate your experience as being the same.

tempest_ 9mo ago
Vans had tones of popularity. They are an iconic part of 60s culture(minibus) and 80s as well(A Team van) There are two current reasons - Millennials grew up in minivans and its viewed as a mom mobile and they don't want that look (despite the fact that most family SUVs are basically mini vans with out the sliders - US laws favour light trucks

debatem1 9mo ago

Anecdotally, a lot more people in the US tow. And pickup trucks are the indisputable king of towing. There's also the fact that it's a lot harder to take the top off a van than it is to add a top to the bed of a pickup. If I sometimes moved manure and had a van... I'd probably rent a trailer.

sellmesoap 9mo ago

I love a van, but they're a pain to work on compared to a full size truck. Like a popular minivan that has a 5 hour book time to do a simple tuneup. Reaching the plugs between the firewall is most of that time. Same with compact PCs, it's a puzzle to get everything in your 7L case.

mlrtime 9mo ago

The same reason we don't like wagons. The 70s/80s screwed them up big time. They were big ugly garabge cars. I love fast wagons, but they are dying here.

coredog64 9mo ago

The powertrain packaging for vans is much tighter than for trucks. Who amongst us remembers removing the interior to change sparkplugs 6 and 8 in a GMC Vandura? Even if you're not going to do the knuckle-skinning work yourself, the packaging negatively influences book rates when you take it to a shop

jahsome 8mo ago

"infinitely" more flexible is kinda laughable -- Van's have a height restriction. They're inherently more limited.