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You could always just clean the snow instead of salting it. It's not rocket science.

by literalAardvark 9mo ago

bddbbd 9mo ago
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- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
  > are you suggesting to use a mop when it rains to clean the water before it freezes Wyoming here. We don't generally salt our roads. Instead, a combination of ploughs (to clear it) and gravel (to increase traction) are used. More broadly: if you're "astonished with some people not having a grasp," consider that astonishment signals encountering something new.
- mindslight 9mo ago
  The gall to complain about "not having a grasp on reality" while writing hypersimplistic reactionary comments. The evidence for Dead Internet Theory grows by the day. With properly graded streets and sidewalks, liquid water runs off. When the bulk of snow is cleared, the small bits that remain melt, flow off, and/or evaporate during melting days. I can't comment on the specific climate of Berlin, but it certainly doesn't seem poised to be an arctic encampment.
bmulholland 9mo ago
Most Berlin sidewalks are uneven cobblestone, not a flat uniform concrete, so the cleaning is probably a lot more difficult than you're envisioning :)
- Xylakant 9mo ago
  The neighbors snow response contractor had an electric brush on a broom handle, that looked pretty nifty and took like 15 minutes for the whole front to be spotless clean. Then they added a bit of grit, done. The contractor for our block didn’t even show up. Not sure allowing salt would have changed anything.
frm88 9mo ago
It's not about the snow, snow is easy. It's about black ice of which we seem to have more in the last few years. Gravel doesn't cut it here - I broke my wrist last year and this year I salted the paved path to the front gate, I don't want to repeat 8 hours waiting in the ER, 2 surgeries and 3 months more or less out of commission.
- literalAardvark 9mo ago
  That very rarely happens if the snow was cleared, since you'd need all that water to come from somewhere.
  - frm88 9mo ago
    This happened 2025 Jan 15-17 and this year Jan 12-14 in the area I live in. Rain and fog meets icy ground and then rain turns to snow. When I was in the ER last year the 8 hours wait time were due to 26 other broken bones patients and the ER was busy until 1:30 in the morning. It used to be rare, but that changed over the last couple of years.
    - literalAardvark 9mo ago
      Yeah I suppose it does depend a lot on the weather

You could always just clean the snow instead of salting it. It's not rocket science.

bddbbd 9mo ago

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JumpCrisscross 9mo ago
> are you suggesting to use a mop when it rains to clean the water before it freezes Wyoming here. We don't generally salt our roads. Instead, a combination of ploughs (to clear it) and gravel (to increase traction) are used. More broadly: if you're "astonished with some people not having a grasp," consider that astonishment signals encountering something new.
mindslight 9mo ago
The gall to complain about "not having a grasp on reality" while writing hypersimplistic reactionary comments. The evidence for Dead Internet Theory grows by the day. With properly graded streets and sidewalks, liquid water runs off. When the bulk of snow is cleared, the small bits that remain melt, flow off, and/or evaporate during melting days. I can't comment on the specific climate of Berlin, but it certainly doesn't seem poised to be an arctic encampment.

bmulholland 9mo ago

Most Berlin sidewalks are uneven cobblestone, not a flat uniform concrete, so the cleaning is probably a lot more difficult than you're envisioning :)

Xylakant 9mo ago
The neighbors snow response contractor had an electric brush on a broom handle, that looked pretty nifty and took like 15 minutes for the whole front to be spotless clean. Then they added a bit of grit, done. The contractor for our block didn’t even show up. Not sure allowing salt would have changed anything.

frm88 9mo ago

It's not about the snow, snow is easy. It's about black ice of which we seem to have more in the last few years. Gravel doesn't cut it here - I broke my wrist last year and this year I salted the paved path to the front gate, I don't want to repeat 8 hours waiting in the ER, 2 surgeries and 3 months more or less out of commission.

literalAardvark 9mo ago
That very rarely happens if the snow was cleared, since you'd need all that water to come from somewhere.
- frm88 9mo ago
  This happened 2025 Jan 15-17 and this year Jan 12-14 in the area I live in. Rain and fog meets icy ground and then rain turns to snow. When I was in the ER last year the 8 hours wait time were due to 26 other broken bones patients and the ER was busy until 1:30 in the morning. It used to be rare, but that changed over the last couple of years.
  - literalAardvark 9mo ago
    Yeah I suppose it does depend a lot on the weather