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They have worse prices (higher) and worse range (lower, particularly for towing). These aren't misconceptions. (My only car is an EV that I'm happy with. But

by loeg 10mo ago

They have worse prices (higher) and worse range (lower, particularly for towing). These aren't misconceptions. (My only car is an EV that I'm happy with. But lying about EVs doesn't benefit advocates.)

fullstop 10mo ago
Obviously this is slanted by tax credits, but the EV that I have shares a name with the existing gas model and was less expensive. EVs aren't for everything, but mine fits my use case perfectly.
- loeg 10mo ago
  I'd be interested to hear which model, because that's pretty remarkable.
  - fullstop 10mo ago
    Equinox EV. Now that the tax credits have expired it is a different story. The 2025 gas version's MSRP was about 30k, and the electric one was about 35k with a $7500 tax credit.
    - loeg 10mo ago
      Ok, thanks. Current 2026 base trim prices are 29k for the ICE and 35k for the EV. If you told me GM was eating thinner unit margins on the EV version, I wouldn't be shocked either.
      - fullstop 10mo ago
        It's been a good car. Maintenance, so far, has been tire rotations and wiper fluid.
ceejayoz 10mo ago
> They have worse prices (higher) Does this factor in cost of ownership? Gas, oil changes, less complexity? > worse range (lower, particularly for towing) Towing reduces a gas powered car’s range, too.
- mdavid626 10mo ago
  (Towing) You can fill it up in 5 min. Not true for EV.
  - ceejayoz 10mo ago
    Pop in for a pee and a snack. In the 15-20 mins that takes, you'll have a good amount of charge. Towing is also a bit of an edge case. https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... > According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less.
  - rootusrootus 10mo ago
    Hell, ain't true for any gas pickup I've owned, either. Big tanks, and often temperamental bastards that have to be babysat and won't take fuel at full pump speed in any case. Most road trip stops, according to the AAA, are 15 minutes anyway. Only on the Internet does everyone take 5 minutes to refuel.
    - loeg 10mo ago
      ~60 kWh still takes 18 minutes to charge at 200kW, and 200kW is a relatively optimistic average charge speed for most EVs at this time. Bigger batteries, or slower charge rates, take longer.
      - rootusrootus 10mo ago
WorldMaker 10mo ago
They have artificially worse prices in the US where EVs are mostly only getting sold as "luxury" vehicles and competition is hobbled by dealer networks and dealer laws and import tariffs. Most other parts of the world EVs are starting to be cheaper than the equivalent ICE in the same category. Range often doesn't need to get better, the impression of range needs to change. That's where a lot of misconceptions play into effect, over-focusing on things like gas-station-like charging stations over at-home charging. Over-focusing on "zero to full tank/battery statistics" when no one keeps a gas vehicle with a full tank overnight every night. Over-focusing on high speed charging and ignoring boring but useful "Level 1" charging, which is "just about everywhere" because our society has been building electrical outlets for a long time. Sure, the experience changes in things like long distance trips, but experience changes aren't "worse" by default of being a change.
- phainopepla2 10mo ago
  I still have to pay the price whether it's artificial or not

by loeg 10mo ago

fullstop 10mo ago

Obviously this is slanted by tax credits, but the EV that I have shares a name with the existing gas model and was less expensive. EVs aren't for everything, but mine fits my use case perfectly.

loeg 10mo ago
I'd be interested to hear which model, because that's pretty remarkable.
- fullstop 10mo ago
  Equinox EV. Now that the tax credits have expired it is a different story. The 2025 gas version's MSRP was about 30k, and the electric one was about 35k with a $7500 tax credit.
  - loeg 10mo ago
    Ok, thanks. Current 2026 base trim prices are 29k for the ICE and 35k for the EV. If you told me GM was eating thinner unit margins on the EV version, I wouldn't be shocked either.
    - fullstop 10mo ago
      It's been a good car. Maintenance, so far, has been tire rotations and wiper fluid.

ceejayoz 10mo ago

> They have worse prices (higher) Does this factor in cost of ownership? Gas, oil changes, less complexity? > worse range (lower, particularly for towing) Towing reduces a gas powered car’s range, too.

mdavid626 10mo ago
(Towing) You can fill it up in 5 min. Not true for EV.
- ceejayoz 10mo ago
  Pop in for a pee and a snack. In the 15-20 mins that takes, you'll have a good amount of charge. Towing is also a bit of an edge case. https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... > According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less.
- rootusrootus 10mo ago
  Hell, ain't true for any gas pickup I've owned, either. Big tanks, and often temperamental bastards that have to be babysat and won't take fuel at full pump speed in any case. Most road trip stops, according to the AAA, are 15 minutes anyway. Only on the Internet does everyone take 5 minutes to refuel.
  - loeg 10mo ago
    ~60 kWh still takes 18 minutes to charge at 200kW, and 200kW is a relatively optimistic average charge speed for most EVs at this time. Bigger batteries, or slower charge rates, take longer.
    - rootusrootus 10mo ago

WorldMaker 10mo ago

They have artificially worse prices in the US where EVs are mostly only getting sold as "luxury" vehicles and competition is hobbled by dealer networks and dealer laws and import tariffs. Most other parts of the world EVs are starting to be cheaper than the equivalent ICE in the same category. Range often doesn't need to get better, the impression of range needs to change. That's where a lot of misconceptions play into effect, over-focusing on things like gas-station-like charging stations over at-home charging. Over-focusing on "zero to full tank/battery statistics" when no one keeps a gas vehicle with a full tank overnight every night. Over-focusing on high speed charging and ignoring boring but useful "Level 1" charging, which is "just about everywhere" because our society has been building electrical outlets for a long time. Sure, the experience changes in things like long distance trips, but experience changes aren't "worse" by default of being a change.

phainopepla2 10mo ago
I still have to pay the price whether it's artificial or not