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This. When the cyber truck was announced we decided to buy a Super Duty instead. That was 5 years ago. It's now paid off and driven us and our RV all over the

This. When the cyber truck was announced we decided to buy a Super Duty instead. That was 5 years ago. It's now paid off and driven us and our RV all over the country, and still worth more than half it's purchase price with many more miles to go, and no issues at all (knock on wood). A lightning, cyber truck, or even rivian can't do those things. Instead of waiting for a slate just buy a little gas pickup and GO USE IT, live you life!!!

wffurr 9mo ago
>> no issues at all Other than all the CO2, CO, and NOx you've emitted over that time period. The government should have started taxing barrels of oil in the 70s.
- horsawlarway 9mo ago
  The government started taxing fuel (both gas and diesel) at the federal level in 1932. Individual states go back to 1919.
- jandrese 9mo ago
  If you want to kill coal and oil just tax them the fair market price of carbon sequestration for the amount of carbon they ultimately emit. Use that money to sequester the carbon. This is how carbon markets should have been set up, but unfortunately that would have killed the modern economy.
- tracker1 9mo ago
  If that was the goal, then killing nuclear power and holding it back for the past 4 decades was probably the wrong move. Solar and other "renewable" sources aren't enough to meet energy needs now, let alone the near future.
- iancmceachern 9mo ago
  Look at the same specs for the cyber truck. There is about twice the carbon in the manufacturing of these, so it counts on people driving them for hundreds of thousands of miles, I don't see that happening with them because you can't even take a normal road trip while towing. These things just aren't going to see the miles, because they can't. They're just not usable as trucks. https://insideevs.com/news/719434/tesla-cybertruck-awd-vs-ram-2500-diesel-tow-comparison/ https://insideevs.com/news/719434/tesla-cybertruck-awd-vs-ra... Also the power plants and diesel generators for the data centers... https://www.selc.org/press-release/new-images-reveal-elon-musks-xai-datacenter-has-nearly-doubled-its-number-of-polluting-unpermitted-gas-turbines/ https://www.selc.org/press-release/new-images-reveal-elon-mu...
  - jandrese 9mo ago
    My understanding is the difference in carbon emission from manufacturing a BEV vs. an ICE vehicle is about 4 tons of carbon, roughly what you would get from 400 gallons of gasoline. So to make up the carbon deficit the BEV needs to drive about 8,000 miles assuming the ICE truck has above average highway MPG. This does assume the electricity comes from renewables though, if you have coal fired electricity then the figure may vary wildly.
    - iancmceachern 9mo ago
      8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a Cyber truck would be roughly 70 charging stops at an hour each 8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a diesel super duty would be 30 stops at 15 mins each. That's 70 hours vs 7.5 hours. Every 8000 miles
      - jandrese 9mo ago
        I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. Also if you are one if the low single digit percentage of people who do long distance towing regularly then yeah, get a diesel. I was talking more about people who live in the suburbs and commute to work and back in their truck, never tow anything, and use the bed maybe twice a year. About 67% of truck owners in the US.
        iancmceachern 9mo ago
        It means cybertrucks and similar are not usable as trucks. They're only usable as vehicles that you shouldn't buy a truck for that use case for. If you need a truck to do actual truck things you can't use these. See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y It's famous now...
  - wffurr 9mo ago
    Yeah the Cyber truck is no prize either for emissions. It's not a good alternative.
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tracker1 9mo ago
To be clear, I'm not waiting for it at all... I'm not that interested in EVs for my own use so much... I work from home and not going to buy a new vehicle any time soon. I'm just more interested in it conceptually. Much like I was interested in the Local Motors Rally Fighter, I wasn't ever going to buy one, just thought it was cool. Well, maybe not the same, as the Slate could be something I would actually buy if/when it hits market in any numbers. If it's got a good level of repairability beyond the body/form, then the company collapsing may be a lot less of an issue. The way it's being done does remind me a lot of the original GP (General Purpose) vehicle. Though not necessarily fit for military/combat environments; As fuel is easier to transport than electricity to the middle of nowhere.

wffurr 9mo ago

>> no issues at all Other than all the CO2, CO, and NOx you've emitted over that time period. The government should have started taxing barrels of oil in the 70s.

horsawlarway 9mo ago
The government started taxing fuel (both gas and diesel) at the federal level in 1932. Individual states go back to 1919.
jandrese 9mo ago
If you want to kill coal and oil just tax them the fair market price of carbon sequestration for the amount of carbon they ultimately emit. Use that money to sequester the carbon. This is how carbon markets should have been set up, but unfortunately that would have killed the modern economy.
tracker1 9mo ago
If that was the goal, then killing nuclear power and holding it back for the past 4 decades was probably the wrong move. Solar and other "renewable" sources aren't enough to meet energy needs now, let alone the near future.
iancmceachern 9mo ago
Look at the same specs for the cyber truck. There is about twice the carbon in the manufacturing of these, so it counts on people driving them for hundreds of thousands of miles, I don't see that happening with them because you can't even take a normal road trip while towing. These things just aren't going to see the miles, because they can't. They're just not usable as trucks. https://insideevs.com/news/719434/tesla-cybertruck-awd-vs-ram-2500-diesel-tow-comparison/ https://insideevs.com/news/719434/tesla-cybertruck-awd-vs-ra... Also the power plants and diesel generators for the data centers... https://www.selc.org/press-release/new-images-reveal-elon-musks-xai-datacenter-has-nearly-doubled-its-number-of-polluting-unpermitted-gas-turbines/ https://www.selc.org/press-release/new-images-reveal-elon-mu...
- jandrese 9mo ago
  My understanding is the difference in carbon emission from manufacturing a BEV vs. an ICE vehicle is about 4 tons of carbon, roughly what you would get from 400 gallons of gasoline. So to make up the carbon deficit the BEV needs to drive about 8,000 miles assuming the ICE truck has above average highway MPG. This does assume the electricity comes from renewables though, if you have coal fired electricity then the figure may vary wildly.
  - iancmceachern 9mo ago
    8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a Cyber truck would be roughly 70 charging stops at an hour each 8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a diesel super duty would be 30 stops at 15 mins each. That's 70 hours vs 7.5 hours. Every 8000 miles
    - jandrese 9mo ago
      I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. Also if you are one if the low single digit percentage of people who do long distance towing regularly then yeah, get a diesel. I was talking more about people who live in the suburbs and commute to work and back in their truck, never tow anything, and use the bed maybe twice a year. About 67% of truck owners in the US.
      - iancmceachern 9mo ago
        It means cybertrucks and similar are not usable as trucks. They're only usable as vehicles that you shouldn't buy a truck for that use case for. If you need a truck to do actual truck things you can't use these. See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nS0Fdayj8Y It's famous now...
- wffurr 9mo ago
  Yeah the Cyber truck is no prize either for emissions. It's not a good alternative.
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tracker1 9mo ago

To be clear, I'm not waiting for it at all... I'm not that interested in EVs for my own use so much... I work from home and not going to buy a new vehicle any time soon. I'm just more interested in it conceptually. Much like I was interested in the Local Motors Rally Fighter, I wasn't ever going to buy one, just thought it was cool. Well, maybe not the same, as the Slate could be something I would actually buy if/when it hits market in any numbers. If it's got a good level of repairability beyond the body/form, then the company collapsing may be a lot less of an issue. The way it's being done does remind me a lot of the original GP (General Purpose) vehicle. Though not necessarily fit for military/combat environments; As fuel is easier to transport than electricity to the middle of nowhere.