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The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimat

The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimate defense for the people against the government. I too wish people also cared as much about the 1st amendment, but sadly I think the tide is turning on that. Too many on both the right and left seem okay with censorship and harassment.

k2enemy 9mo ago
Kind of ironic that there's a big overlap in the venn diagram between 2nd amendment enthusiasts and the crowd that is cheering on the government's authoritarian actions.
- chung8123 9mo ago
  There isn't, it just appears that way. There is a subset of people that are cheering on the government in this situation and they are 2nd amendment supporters but the 2nd amendment supporters are much larger than that overlap. Things like this is just another way of trying to drive a wedge.
- anon84873628 9mo ago
  Because the visible 2A enthusiasts essentially trace a lineage to the KKK. Of course, they don't actually care about upholding the Constitution or fighting tyranny. That was just a convenient cover tactic and accusation to use against political opponents.
- xdennis 9mo ago
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  - thunderfork 9mo ago
    >vigilantism (what Renee Good was doing) Good luck defining vigilanteism in a coherent way that includes "operating a motor vehicle near ICE agents".
jeroenhd 9mo ago
With the government harassing, attacking, and now killing innocent American citizens, I'm not so sure if the second amendment is working out so well. With the ridiculous leeway American law enforcement has when it comes to harming people ("qualified immunity"), I don't think that second amendment will be relevant until there's an outright civil war happening. And when it comes to that, one or both sides have access to predator drones and fighter jets.
- Nifty3929 9mo ago
  Not civil war, but a revolution. The 2nd amendment isn't worth much except as a very last resort, when the vast majority of people are willing to die to overthrow a government, as we're seeing in Iran. The people claiming that having guns won't save you against the weight of the army are only partly correct. Having a few guns won't save me personally. I would certainly be killed on my own. But no government can kill everyone, either as a practical matter, or simply because you still need folks to produce the food. When everybody is armed, the government simply cannot oppress them to the same degree.
- anon84873628 9mo ago
  Imagine every protestor you see on video was instead standing rank and file in the street with a rifle on their shoulder. I.e. a well regulated militia. That would sure send a very different message, wouldn't it?
  - watwut 9mo ago
    Message that "yes these are thugs and it is ok to kill them". Police can kill you if they feel fear or pretend to feel fear. And having a gun was already ruled valid legal reasom for police to kill people. If protesters carried guns, ICE could legally murder them. Not just J.D.Vance legaly, but legaly per how courts interpret such situations.
    - anon84873628 9mo ago
      Well then that will be something for the courts to sort out, especially in the open carry states. But I think you are underestimating the effect it will have on individual federal agents, who might decide the pay isn't good enough anymore. These scenes are also put on for the benefit of the politicians watching.

k2enemy 9mo ago

Kind of ironic that there's a big overlap in the venn diagram between 2nd amendment enthusiasts and the crowd that is cheering on the government's authoritarian actions.

chung8123 9mo ago
There isn't, it just appears that way. There is a subset of people that are cheering on the government in this situation and they are 2nd amendment supporters but the 2nd amendment supporters are much larger than that overlap. Things like this is just another way of trying to drive a wedge.
anon84873628 9mo ago
Because the visible 2A enthusiasts essentially trace a lineage to the KKK. Of course, they don't actually care about upholding the Constitution or fighting tyranny. That was just a convenient cover tactic and accusation to use against political opponents.
xdennis 9mo ago
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- thunderfork 9mo ago
  >vigilantism (what Renee Good was doing) Good luck defining vigilanteism in a coherent way that includes "operating a motor vehicle near ICE agents".

jeroenhd 9mo ago

With the government harassing, attacking, and now killing innocent American citizens, I'm not so sure if the second amendment is working out so well. With the ridiculous leeway American law enforcement has when it comes to harming people ("qualified immunity"), I don't think that second amendment will be relevant until there's an outright civil war happening. And when it comes to that, one or both sides have access to predator drones and fighter jets.

Nifty3929 9mo ago
Not civil war, but a revolution. The 2nd amendment isn't worth much except as a very last resort, when the vast majority of people are willing to die to overthrow a government, as we're seeing in Iran. The people claiming that having guns won't save you against the weight of the army are only partly correct. Having a few guns won't save me personally. I would certainly be killed on my own. But no government can kill everyone, either as a practical matter, or simply because you still need folks to produce the food. When everybody is armed, the government simply cannot oppress them to the same degree.
anon84873628 9mo ago
Imagine every protestor you see on video was instead standing rank and file in the street with a rifle on their shoulder. I.e. a well regulated militia. That would sure send a very different message, wouldn't it?
- watwut 9mo ago
  Message that "yes these are thugs and it is ok to kill them". Police can kill you if they feel fear or pretend to feel fear. And having a gun was already ruled valid legal reasom for police to kill people. If protesters carried guns, ICE could legally murder them. Not just J.D.Vance legaly, but legaly per how courts interpret such situations.
  - anon84873628 9mo ago
    Well then that will be something for the courts to sort out, especially in the open carry states. But I think you are underestimating the effect it will have on individual federal agents, who might decide the pay isn't good enough anymore. These scenes are also put on for the benefit of the politicians watching.