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> given that Greenland is indefensible without alliance and economically heavily subsidized. That's valid for like 99% of countries on the planet so I'm not su

by lm28469 10mo ago

> given that Greenland is indefensible without alliance and economically heavily subsidized. That's valid for like 99% of countries on the planet so I'm not sure what signals it sends. They could use the same logic to invade Germany tomorrow if they wanted, who's going to stop them anyways ?

mothballed 10mo ago
Who said anything about actually invading? I'm talking about the threat of invading to make it cost Denmark even more than it currently does to hold. The US doesn't need to invade, only create a bluff to make it more painful to hold it. And no, 99% of countries on the planet do not get 10-15k of outside subsidies per resident. Also I think you are ignoring nuance on the importance of alliance; the population density and population is incredibly low and they are situated quite close to the US. The US has disproportionately strong-armed virtually every nation around it of similar size/strength; that's why central America and the Caribbean are chalk full of stories of US meddling. It's not similar to places like Brazil where an invasion of a world power would still cost an adversary a lot more than they bargain for in ground losses even without alliance even if the adversary would doubtlessly win a clear victory. They are far weaker at the negotiation table than, say, Germany, when in comes to foreign influence.
- palata 10mo ago
  > The US doesn't need to invade, only create a bluff to make it more painful to hold it. When you create a bluff pretending to be an enemy, do you still count as an ally?
  - mothballed 10mo ago
    Possibly not, but I don't think you can count on 1:1 pairing of enemy/ally pre and post Denmark as the sovereign of Greenland.
  - JohnFen 10mo ago
    No. If you're militarily threatening someone, you are their enemy. Even if you used to be an ally.
- xethos 10mo ago
  > 99% of countries on the planet do not get 10-15k of outside subsidies per resident. While not 10-15k, the feds put ~5-8k [0,1,2] per-resident into Alaska, a remote territory the country intends to hold [0] https://www.usaspending.gov/state/alaska/latest https://www.usaspending.gov/state/alaska/latest [1] https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20250305/117980/HHRG-119-GO00-20250305-SD039.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20250305/117980/HHRG... [2] https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-money-does-the-federal-government-provide-state-and-local-governments/state/alaska/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-money-does-the-federal...

by lm28469 10mo ago

mothballed 10mo ago

Who said anything about actually invading? I'm talking about the threat of invading to make it cost Denmark even more than it currently does to hold. The US doesn't need to invade, only create a bluff to make it more painful to hold it. And no, 99% of countries on the planet do not get 10-15k of outside subsidies per resident. Also I think you are ignoring nuance on the importance of alliance; the population density and population is incredibly low and they are situated quite close to the US. The US has disproportionately strong-armed virtually every nation around it of similar size/strength; that's why central America and the Caribbean are chalk full of stories of US meddling. It's not similar to places like Brazil where an invasion of a world power would still cost an adversary a lot more than they bargain for in ground losses even without alliance even if the adversary would doubtlessly win a clear victory. They are far weaker at the negotiation table than, say, Germany, when in comes to foreign influence.

palata 10mo ago
> The US doesn't need to invade, only create a bluff to make it more painful to hold it. When you create a bluff pretending to be an enemy, do you still count as an ally?
- mothballed 10mo ago
  Possibly not, but I don't think you can count on 1:1 pairing of enemy/ally pre and post Denmark as the sovereign of Greenland.
- JohnFen 10mo ago
  No. If you're militarily threatening someone, you are their enemy. Even if you used to be an ally.
xethos 10mo ago
> 99% of countries on the planet do not get 10-15k of outside subsidies per resident. While not 10-15k, the feds put ~5-8k [0,1,2] per-resident into Alaska, a remote territory the country intends to hold [0] https://www.usaspending.gov/state/alaska/latest https://www.usaspending.gov/state/alaska/latest [1] https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20250305/117980/HHRG-119-GO00-20250305-SD039.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20250305/117980/HHRG... [2] https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-money-does-the-federal-government-provide-state-and-local-governments/state/alaska/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-money-does-the-federal...