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What happens is that European companies buy services that are produced in the US, not in Europe. The European countries are free to ban and fine companies buyin

What happens is that European companies buy services that are produced in the US, not in Europe. The European countries are free to ban and fine companies buying those services like Russia does. Italy, for example, can start by fining companies using Cloudflare, IP blocking Cloudflare and face the political consequences of it. But they don't want politicalconsequences which is the source of the friction. An Italian would be really pissed off for politicians if someone shows up their house and takes away computer because of watching football illegally.

moi2388 9mo ago
So what? You can also buy meat from outside the EU, but if you want it to be used inside the EU, it has to conform to EU standards. Otherwise you are simply not allowed to sell it in the EU.
- miohtama 9mo ago
  If you import meat illegally in the EU, it is on you, not on a company that sold it for you.
piva00 9mo ago
Doesn't matter where they are produced, it matters where they are sold. They are sold in the EU, they need to follow the laws for the market where they are sold. I can't go to the US, produce a death trap of a car, and sell it in the US because it goes against US laws; I could produce the same car in the US, not sell it in the US, and be fine if I find a market where I can export it to, it's stupid but not against the law. US companies want to sell to Europeans, they could choose to not do business here and wouldn't face any repercussions if breaking EU law. Since they do like the money from a very rich bloc of countries they do business in the EU and need to follow its laws. It's very very simple, I don't know why you are trying to complicate a rule (or worse, victimise companies) that exists anywhere in the world. If I want to sell something in the USA I need to follow USA's laws regarding that, if I don't then I can't do business there.
- HDThoreaun 9mo ago
  Internet is a global service. If a european connects to my server in the US where was the service sold? American companies can easily argue the sale was made at the server in the US. European countries would of course disagree, but that doesnt actually mean anything because the company doesnt have any assets in the europe and then it's just a political battle of american government vs european governments.
  - piva00 9mo ago
    > If a european connects to my server in the US where was the service sold? Did you sell something? If you sold something, it's in Europe. > American companies can easily argue the sale was made at the server in the US. No, they can't, the server's physical location has nothing to do with the delivery of the sale. > European countries would of course disagree, but that doesnt actually mean anything because the company doesnt have any assets in the europe and then it's just a political battle of american government vs european governments. If there are no assets or representation in Europe then there's nothing the justice system can directly affect, so of course it becomes a political matter between governments to enforce it in case the importing country determines the product is doing illegal stuff, that's not a secret and it's how it's worked for a long time. The internet being global doesn't mean it's lawless, no idea why people still believe that.

moi2388 9mo ago

So what? You can also buy meat from outside the EU, but if you want it to be used inside the EU, it has to conform to EU standards. Otherwise you are simply not allowed to sell it in the EU.

miohtama 9mo ago
If you import meat illegally in the EU, it is on you, not on a company that sold it for you.

piva00 9mo ago

Doesn't matter where they are produced, it matters where they are sold. They are sold in the EU, they need to follow the laws for the market where they are sold. I can't go to the US, produce a death trap of a car, and sell it in the US because it goes against US laws; I could produce the same car in the US, not sell it in the US, and be fine if I find a market where I can export it to, it's stupid but not against the law. US companies want to sell to Europeans, they could choose to not do business here and wouldn't face any repercussions if breaking EU law. Since they do like the money from a very rich bloc of countries they do business in the EU and need to follow its laws. It's very very simple, I don't know why you are trying to complicate a rule (or worse, victimise companies) that exists anywhere in the world. If I want to sell something in the USA I need to follow USA's laws regarding that, if I don't then I can't do business there.

HDThoreaun 9mo ago
Internet is a global service. If a european connects to my server in the US where was the service sold? American companies can easily argue the sale was made at the server in the US. European countries would of course disagree, but that doesnt actually mean anything because the company doesnt have any assets in the europe and then it's just a political battle of american government vs european governments.
- piva00 9mo ago
  > If a european connects to my server in the US where was the service sold? Did you sell something? If you sold something, it's in Europe. > American companies can easily argue the sale was made at the server in the US. No, they can't, the server's physical location has nothing to do with the delivery of the sale. > European countries would of course disagree, but that doesnt actually mean anything because the company doesnt have any assets in the europe and then it's just a political battle of american government vs european governments. If there are no assets or representation in Europe then there's nothing the justice system can directly affect, so of course it becomes a political matter between governments to enforce it in case the importing country determines the product is doing illegal stuff, that's not a secret and it's how it's worked for a long time. The internet being global doesn't mean it's lawless, no idea why people still believe that.