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Fairly sure the US started this process with things like the PokerStars case, the MegaUpload raid, heck even further back Dmitry Skylarov's PDF reader. Not to m

by pjc50 10mo ago

Fairly sure the US started this process with things like the PokerStars case, the MegaUpload raid, heck even further back Dmitry Skylarov's PDF reader. Not to mention the secondary sanctions on Cuba and the complex rules about providing financial services to overseas Americans. I'm also fairly sure that the Italian requirement only applies to blocking Italian DNS access.

pluralmonad 10mo ago
There was that recent rant on twitter/x by the Cloudflare CEO that seemed to indicate otherwise (w.r.t. Italian DNS blocking)
- miohtama 10mo ago
  All hail our pizza-baking Internet overlords: > The authority set the multi-million euro fine with the resolution now published based on one percent of Cloudflare's global annual revenue. It justifies this calculation with the company's cross-border structure: Since Cloudflare's infrastructure is globally oriented and enables the circumvention of local blocks, the sanction must also have a corresponding "deterrent effect" and go beyond the national framework. https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloudflare-record-fine-Italy-s-tough-anti-piracy-course-hits-DNS-resolver-11136858.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloudflare-record-fine-Italy-s-...
blitzar 10mo ago
The NatWest Three - UK nationals, working in the UK, for a UK company. "Defrauded" their UK employer and were convicted by a US court and jailed in the US for the crime.
- pjc50 10mo ago
  Looked them up and it's a good example. See also contemporary condemnation of the US justice system. https://www.ft.com/content/2699c7c4-9ea0-11dc-b4e4-0000779fd2ac https://www.ft.com/content/2699c7c4-9ea0-11dc-b4e4-0000779fd... The only link that made them liable for US extradition was "wire fraud" relating to a message transmitted in the US. Exactly the sort of extraterritorial law that the US are complaining about when it happens to them.

by pjc50 10mo ago

pluralmonad 10mo ago

There was that recent rant on twitter/x by the Cloudflare CEO that seemed to indicate otherwise (w.r.t. Italian DNS blocking)

miohtama 10mo ago
All hail our pizza-baking Internet overlords: > The authority set the multi-million euro fine with the resolution now published based on one percent of Cloudflare's global annual revenue. It justifies this calculation with the company's cross-border structure: Since Cloudflare's infrastructure is globally oriented and enables the circumvention of local blocks, the sanction must also have a corresponding "deterrent effect" and go beyond the national framework. https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloudflare-record-fine-Italy-s-tough-anti-piracy-course-hits-DNS-resolver-11136858.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Cloudflare-record-fine-Italy-s-...

blitzar 10mo ago

The NatWest Three - UK nationals, working in the UK, for a UK company. "Defrauded" their UK employer and were convicted by a US court and jailed in the US for the crime.

pjc50 10mo ago
Looked them up and it's a good example. See also contemporary condemnation of the US justice system. https://www.ft.com/content/2699c7c4-9ea0-11dc-b4e4-0000779fd2ac https://www.ft.com/content/2699c7c4-9ea0-11dc-b4e4-0000779fd... The only link that made them liable for US extradition was "wire fraud" relating to a message transmitted in the US. Exactly the sort of extraterritorial law that the US are complaining about when it happens to them.