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That may be true but I find the term denigrating towards programmers. This isn't the advertising industry and their nomenclature isn't appropriate here. It impl

by timtadh 14y ago

That may be true but I find the term denigrating towards programmers. This isn't the advertising industry and their nomenclature isn't appropriate here. It implies a "non-creative" type of programmer. It also implies most programmers are of a "non-creative" type. Furthermore, the implication is those programmers, since they are by definition non-creative, don't do their own thinking. The term may not technically mean the above however the implication is there.

notatoad 14y ago
>It implies a "non-creative" type of programmer. It also implies most programmers are of a "non-creative" type. i don't think that's an unfair implication. There is plenty of programming that has no creative aspect, and i'd say the majority of programmers are not creatives. It's a term with a well-accepted industry definition, and if you start defining it as broadly as you want to you could probably apply it to just about any job, anywhere in the world. The guy wiring up power poles outside my office does his own thinking, does that make his job creative?
- dljsjr 14y ago
  It has nothing to do with the job title and everything to do with the person. And yes, I am saying that the label of creative can be applied to any job in the world. Watch the video.
- timtadh 14y ago
  > i don't think that's an unfair implication. we will have to disagree there. which is fine. > if you start defining it as broadly as you want to you could probably apply it to just about any job, anywhere in the world. The guy wiring up power poles outside my office does his own thinking, does that make his job creative? Which is my point. I am not saying all programmers to should be called "creative." However, calling a portion of them creative is inaccurate. It also doesn't really get at what OP wanted to get at which is: A programmer with visual arts training/skills.
jianshen 14y ago
I don't think 'creative' denigrates regular coders precisely because the term IS from the Advertising industry where there is a clear delineation between "creative", "sales" and "business". [1] Ad Agencies/VFX Companies/Design Firms tend to have a "Creative Director" [2] where a Creative Coder would report to and up until recently, their roles would not exist in traditional consumer/enterprise web companies. Put another way, it's still blurry if someone in such a role would report to an Engineering Director or a Creative Director at a company that had both groups. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=ad+agency+org+structure https://www.google.com/search?q=ad+agency+org+structure [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_director http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_director
- timtadh 14y ago
  Respectfully most programmers don't work in advertising. It may be suitable in Advertising where the term is well understood. However, I don't think it should be a widely applied term outside of that field. The "plain sense" of the term is not the technical definition the "plain sense" is as I described it above.

by timtadh 14y ago

notatoad 14y ago

>It implies a "non-creative" type of programmer. It also implies most programmers are of a "non-creative" type. i don't think that's an unfair implication. There is plenty of programming that has no creative aspect, and i'd say the majority of programmers are not creatives. It's a term with a well-accepted industry definition, and if you start defining it as broadly as you want to you could probably apply it to just about any job, anywhere in the world. The guy wiring up power poles outside my office does his own thinking, does that make his job creative?

dljsjr 14y ago
It has nothing to do with the job title and everything to do with the person. And yes, I am saying that the label of creative can be applied to any job in the world. Watch the video.
timtadh 14y ago
> i don't think that's an unfair implication. we will have to disagree there. which is fine. > if you start defining it as broadly as you want to you could probably apply it to just about any job, anywhere in the world. The guy wiring up power poles outside my office does his own thinking, does that make his job creative? Which is my point. I am not saying all programmers to should be called "creative." However, calling a portion of them creative is inaccurate. It also doesn't really get at what OP wanted to get at which is: A programmer with visual arts training/skills.

jianshen 14y ago

I don't think 'creative' denigrates regular coders precisely because the term IS from the Advertising industry where there is a clear delineation between "creative", "sales" and "business". [1] Ad Agencies/VFX Companies/Design Firms tend to have a "Creative Director" [2] where a Creative Coder would report to and up until recently, their roles would not exist in traditional consumer/enterprise web companies. Put another way, it's still blurry if someone in such a role would report to an Engineering Director or a Creative Director at a company that had both groups. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=ad+agency+org+structure https://www.google.com/search?q=ad+agency+org+structure [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_director http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_director

timtadh 14y ago
Respectfully most programmers don't work in advertising. It may be suitable in Advertising where the term is well understood. However, I don't think it should be a widely applied term outside of that field. The "plain sense" of the term is not the technical definition the "plain sense" is as I described it above.