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The reason disposables are so popular in the US is the FDA banned any flavored cartridges, which doesn't include disposables. The immense battery waste is a dir
by Quinner 9mo ago
The reason disposables are so popular in the US is the FDA banned any flavored cartridges, which doesn't include disposables. The immense battery waste is a direct result of a relatively new law.
- tthoou34233423 9mo agoI seriously wonder how it's even feasible for these things to be profitable.
- bborud 9mo agoWell, since pretty much everything that consumes power today has an MCU in it, simple MCUs are extremely cheap. Volumes are immense. They are also space efficient and it is easy to manufacture PCBAs with them. They also occupy that sweet spot where the need for low power consumption means that you use gate sizes that are fairly largeish -- manufacturing processes and technology that is much, much cheaper than what is used for CPUs for instance. Same thing with batteries. Ridiculous volume -> low prices. (Laptops and cell phones is why we have usable electric cars. If the EV industry had to drive up the volume all on its own it would have taken much longer to develop that industry)
- bongodongobob 9mo ago[dead]
- ch4s3 9mo agoGood intentions and lack of foresight often combine poorly.
- lostlogin 9mo agoThe fault lies with vape manufacturers. It’s big tobacco. They are soulless ghouls.
- tuetuopay 9mo agoSurprisingly, Big Tobacco does not really likes vapes because it's not them, and eats in their profit margin. If any, they lobby against vapes and specifically disposable vapes.
- lostlogin 9mo agoThat hasn’t been true here in New Zealand. Although the nuance around what counts as a vape may be where this is happening.
- tuetuopay 9mo agoYMMV, but it's been the case in France. They were behind the ban on disposable non rechargeable vapes, because kids bought them as a candy. They'd prefer they buy actual cigarettes.
- spankalee 9mo ago> FDA banned any flavored cartridges, which doesn't include disposables Wait, what? Where's the sense in that?
- jhanschoo 9mo agoIf true I wonder if that has to do with this incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_illness_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_...
- loeg 9mo agoIt isn't. That was illegal marijuana vapes. The FDA just hates flavored nicotine products because they're appealing (to both adults and children), and the FDA doesn't want nicotine products to be appealing (because nicotine is perceived to be a public health problem on the scale of tobacco).
- mjevans 9mo agoI'm kind of in favor of non-persecution OTC at a pharmacy nicotine patches. I hate anything added to the air. Even perfumes irritate and make me sneeze in high quantity.
- cons0le 9mo agoWeed disposables are a whole rabbit hole by themselves. You want to buy a disposable? Ok, here, $20 and you're done. But if you want to make the oil at home? Ok, $2000 for lights, timers, nutrients, seeds, and a grow tent. Plus another ~$10,000 for a basic short path distillation setup. And honestly to make anything close to what you get in the disposables, you'll need to hire an expert with experience. And you need a lot of space for your new secret lab. For 99.999% of people, it's super not worth it to make at home.
- loeg 9mo agoYour home grow prices are high (even setting aside that you can just buy flower instead of the disposable vape). The right range is hundreds of dollars. And I'm sure making good oil costs somewhat more, but you can make crappy dab sludge (wax?) with some scissors, $10 of isopropyl alcohol, and a baking dish ("QWISO"), and that sludge can be loaded in some kinds of reusable vape.
- loeg 9mo agoThe other reason is regulatory arbitrage -- the disposal vapes are often illegal products that circumvent laws in general.
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- prmoustache 9mo agoThe other reason is kids. Kids don't have to hide proof of their consumption in their bedroom (well at least until they are hooked enough they can't spend a night without vaping). They buy, consume and throw away before reaching home.
- flexagoon 9mo ago> They buy, consume and throw away before reaching home. That would require a crazy high amount of smoking. AFAIK, disposable vapes usually last about a week.
- wielebny 9mo agoOr 7 undergrads and one day.
- mrheosuper 9mo agoYour point is quite valid, but example is wrong. Those vapes can have a lot of puff in them, they need to be really heavy smoker to smoke out in 1 session. But reuseable vape has more stuff to manage and hide, and they are more expensive in short run.
- walthamstow 9mo agoThat doesn't explain why vapes are so rife elsewhere, particularly the UK. They're popular because, as the FT described, they're the ultimate product. Cool, cheap and addictive. https://www.ft.com/content/f72f17e4-a83d-4494-b1e7-a349cc7aebc2 https://www.ft.com/content/f72f17e4-a83d-4494-b1e7-a349cc7ae...
- dbbk 9mo agoUK also banned them
- doublerabbit 9mo agoIt was one of those rush laws. They are still for sale, I walk past a "BULK OUTLET FOR ELF-BAR" shop sign when I walk to work. It's one of those UK laws of "we are doing something!" but not actually do anything. These companies either pay backhand or know how to skirt around the rule. Who's enforcing it?
- walthamstow 9mo agoWe're doing about as well at policing the vape ban as we are the ban on cocaine (which, in case you hadn't noticed, is everywhere)
- jackdh 9mo agoHardly, they banned fully disposable. You can still by them but now you can swap in a refill cartridge. The price of this refillable one is the same as the original. Many places apparently don't even sell the refills so it's practically the same.