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The over reach and application are owned by one. eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently. Door to door ID dragnets a
by defrost 10mo ago
The over reach and application are owned by one.
eg: ICE has no authority wrt traffic stops and the kind of actions taken recently.
Door to door ID dragnets are not part of the written laws, etc.
- RickJWagner 10mo ago[flagged]
- defrost 10mo agoI condemn all excessively authoritarian behaviour. As a peer comment notes, bad behaviour _under_ a former administration is distinct from bad behaviour fully embraced, endorsed, and backed _by_ the current administration. As an aside, the "did you see what Obama did" is a poor response; while I'm certainly not a "literal communist" by any stretch I do urge you to watch a very short clip that specifically highlights the silliness of Obama V. Trump responses: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k If it helps to grasp my stance here, I'm not a US citizen and view all US administrations through the lens of not entirely reliable partners.
- RickJWagner 10mo agoI applaud your integrity. Thank you for the video, it highlights the discussion I think is needed.
- defrost 10mo agoIndeed. I look forward to you linking to evidence of Obama's whole hearted endorsement of ICE agents under his administration threatening children with rape. Clearly without such equivilance of support of excess from the top the cases of ICE under Obama and ICE under Trump are very very different.
- RickJWagner 10mo agoI don’t know what you mean. Here’s an article where ACLU says agents patted a teenagers behind and threatened her with rape but this was on Obamas watch. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-was-monstrous-under-obama-imagine https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa... Have you got something that says something similar happened on Trumps watch? If not, I suppose an argument could be made that Trump is better than Obama, at least in this regard.
- zelda420 10mo agoI’m not a fan of Obama but he wasn’t saying that ICE agents get full immunity and have no consequences like our current VP is tweeting.
- janfoeh 10mo agoOne is a sitting president, one hasn't been in a decade. What do you believe is more pressing, and why?
- RickJWagner 10mo agoA good question. As the ACLU notes, Obamas use of ICE is similar to Trumps. I believe if people are sincere, they should condemn either neither or both. If they refuse to condemn Obama, but do condemn Trump, I do not believe they can make a good argument about compassion. That may change the conversation, which I think would lead to a more logical discussion.
- thrance 10mo agoYou've used this Obama deflection half a dozen time already, and everytime you do people will answer that they were never fans of ICE, even under Obama. Yet you continue to use it, again and again and again... The real question is why, among all these blatantly illegal actions and violent acts perpetrated against the US population that we keep hearing of, you still feel the urge to jump in and defend ICE and Trump?
- RickJWagner 10mo agoBecause the Democrat politicians encouraging the agitators are aligned with Obama. Obama is a great orator, and a historic figure. If we don’t remind people that he used ICE much like Trump did, we could end up with a historic injustice. If you call Trump a monster for his use of ICE ( as the ACLU does ), you should also call Obama a monster ( also as the ACLU does ). It’s only fair. If it’s still not clear, I’ll give a historical example. Bill Clinton molested several women, paid out large sums of money, etc. The man was a lech. But women’s organizations supported him and gave him cover for several years. ( I.e. NOW, the national organization of women ). Clinton was named ‘Father if the year’ by some organization. Can you imagine how this galled people on the other side of the political aisle? It seemed there was no end to the hypocrisy. Finally, thankfully, #MeToo came along and the truth was acknowledged. That’s why I keep throwing this out there. The truth must be acknowledged. You can’t call Trump a monster without calling Obama a monster, too.
- xracy 10mo agoBruh, what? Why in the world is Obama relevant? Why aren't you also condemning Harry S. Truman, while you're at it? That's a wild non sequitur in the the middle of your false equivalency. If you can't see the problems right in front of your eyes, and are still complaining about Obama, then you're lost.