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Actual Headline > World's biggest geoengineering experiment 'violates' UN rules The word illegal in the HN headline is a bit of extra editorial, and should be

by 001sky 14y ago

Actual Headline > World's biggest geoengineering experiment 'violates' UN rules The word illegal in the HN headline is a bit of extra editorial, and should be removed. The inverted commas in this case are not trivial, as not all UN rules are Law, either per-se or in the (even then endlessly debated) eyes of 'International Law.'

ceejayoz 14y ago
In this case, Canada and the US are both signatories to the violated UN rules. According to Wikipedia, US law incorporates the Convention, and I'd imagine Canada does the same.
- 001sky 14y ago
  This is a good comment, I have no issues with having such a discussion in the comments. Its just bad form to <conclude> the outcome a legal proceeding in a headline, generally. If someone with additional information wants to jump in and clarify, for example, the role of international waters the competing issues of soveriegnty, and distinction between the actors of states and individuals, etc. would be very informative.[1] ______________ [1] A bit of additional color: International law differs from national legal systems in that it primarily concerns nations rather than private citizens. [Continuing...] National law may become international law when treaties delegate national jurisdiction to supranational tribunals such as the European Court of Human Rights or the International Criminal Court. Treaties such as the Geneva Conventions may require national law to conform. ...[A] state member of the international community is not obliged to abide by international law unless it has expressly consented to a particular course of conduct.[3] This is an issue of state sovereignty. etc. Not my area of expertise, but this is very much an area where such expertise would be quite useful. Not just international law in general, but also (presumably) the UN doctrines Law of the sea, ect. (covers private parties). http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm

by 001sky 14y ago

ceejayoz 14y ago

In this case, Canada and the US are both signatories to the violated UN rules. According to Wikipedia, US law incorporates the Convention, and I'd imagine Canada does the same.

001sky 14y ago
This is a good comment, I have no issues with having such a discussion in the comments. Its just bad form to <conclude> the outcome a legal proceeding in a headline, generally. If someone with additional information wants to jump in and clarify, for example, the role of international waters the competing issues of soveriegnty, and distinction between the actors of states and individuals, etc. would be very informative.[1] ______________ [1] A bit of additional color: International law differs from national legal systems in that it primarily concerns nations rather than private citizens. [Continuing...] National law may become international law when treaties delegate national jurisdiction to supranational tribunals such as the European Court of Human Rights or the International Criminal Court. Treaties such as the Geneva Conventions may require national law to conform. ...[A] state member of the international community is not obliged to abide by international law unless it has expressly consented to a particular course of conduct.[3] This is an issue of state sovereignty. etc. Not my area of expertise, but this is very much an area where such expertise would be quite useful. Not just international law in general, but also (presumably) the UN doctrines Law of the sea, ect. (covers private parties). http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm