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On [2] he said that natural immunity from getting covid-19 is better than getting the vaccine alone, which is factually correct, as many studies demonstrated (n

On [2] he said that natural immunity from getting covid-19 is better than getting the vaccine alone, which is factually correct, as many studies demonstrated (note: may vary by strains, but was particularly the case in 2021/2022). There's nothing crazy about this, and it's very reasonable to say you prefer to evaluate the risk/benefit and take the vaccine accordingly, instead of mandating this for every demographic. People tend to fall back on tribalism and slap labels on others instead of engaging with nuance or complexity.

techbromoment 9mo ago
> "The anti-vaxxers clearly are the winners at this point, and I think it would probably stay that way," Adams is seen saying in a video clip posted on Instagram. "And I don’t want to put any shade on that, whatsoever; they came out the best." Please actually read the linked article instead of creating some false narrative about people falling back into tribalism. Additionally, his claim from his quote is predicated on ignoring the fact that someone who has natural immunity from past exposure didn't die. It also overlooks those who may suffer long term side effects from the virus that a vaccine would help avoid.
davorak 9mo ago
> On [2] he said that natural immunity from getting covid-19 is better than getting the vaccine alone, He was more on the anti vax side than this statement implies, at least that was my take away from the [2] article: > For unvaccinated people who got COVID-19 and recovered, he said, "Now you’ve got natural immunity and you’ve got no vaccination in you. Can we all agree that that was the winning path?" [a] > better than getting the vaccine alone, which is factually correct You are not giving a metric here so I can not tell why you think it is better. Everything I have read indicates there are more risks, death or long term complications, with covid-19 exposure before vaccination than the other way around. The conclusion of [2] is similar to this. The original Scott Adam's post not longer exists, is there another place where he recorded why he believed contacting covid-19 before vaccination was the winning path? Without that the quotes look damning against his view point. Apparently politifact reached out for comment and did not get any: > We sent emails to an address listed on Adams’ website and at Dilbert.com and an address on his Facebook page. We didn’t get a reply. [a] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/26/scott-adams/no-dilbert-creator-is-wrong-about-unvaccinated-the/#:~:text=For%20unvaccinated%20people%20who%20got%20COVID%2D19%20and%20recovered%2C%20he%20said%2C%20%22Now%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20natural%20immunity%20and%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20no%20vaccination%20in%20you.%20Can%20we%20all%20agree%20that%20that%20was%20the%20winning%20path%3F%22 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/26/scott-adam...
- alexandre_m 9mo ago
  > You are not giving a metric here so I can not tell why you think it is better The studies: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ There are many more. Several 2021–2022 studies, especially Delta-focused, suggested natural immunity provided robust or superior protection against reinfection compared to two-dose vaccination alone.
  - davorak 9mo ago
    > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... > https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 > https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ or [x], [y], [z] for ease. I read the abstract and conclusion of all three, none of them talk about natural immunity with no vaccination being the "winning path" like Scott Adams did. None of them talk about getting covid before getting vaccinated(maybe only optionally) as a better or safer path, not in the abstract or conclusions at least.
    - alexandre_m 9mo ago
      In [3]: "Nine clinical studies were identified, ..." "All of the included studies found at least statistical equivalence between the protection of full vaccination and natural immunity; and, three studies found superiority of natural immunity."
      - davorak 9mo ago
        That is not advise to try for natural immunity instead of or before getting the vaccine.
    - alexandre_m 9mo ago

techbromoment 9mo ago

> "The anti-vaxxers clearly are the winners at this point, and I think it would probably stay that way," Adams is seen saying in a video clip posted on Instagram. "And I don’t want to put any shade on that, whatsoever; they came out the best." Please actually read the linked article instead of creating some false narrative about people falling back into tribalism. Additionally, his claim from his quote is predicated on ignoring the fact that someone who has natural immunity from past exposure didn't die. It also overlooks those who may suffer long term side effects from the virus that a vaccine would help avoid.

davorak 9mo ago

> On [2] he said that natural immunity from getting covid-19 is better than getting the vaccine alone, He was more on the anti vax side than this statement implies, at least that was my take away from the [2] article: > For unvaccinated people who got COVID-19 and recovered, he said, "Now you’ve got natural immunity and you’ve got no vaccination in you. Can we all agree that that was the winning path?" [a] > better than getting the vaccine alone, which is factually correct You are not giving a metric here so I can not tell why you think it is better. Everything I have read indicates there are more risks, death or long term complications, with covid-19 exposure before vaccination than the other way around. The conclusion of [2] is similar to this. The original Scott Adam's post not longer exists, is there another place where he recorded why he believed contacting covid-19 before vaccination was the winning path? Without that the quotes look damning against his view point. Apparently politifact reached out for comment and did not get any: > We sent emails to an address listed on Adams’ website and at Dilbert.com and an address on his Facebook page. We didn’t get a reply. [a] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/26/scott-adams/no-dilbert-creator-is-wrong-about-unvaccinated-the/#:~:text=For%20unvaccinated%20people%20who%20got%20COVID%2D19%20and%20recovered%2C%20he%20said%2C%20%22Now%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20natural%20immunity%20and%20you%E2%80%99ve%20got%20no%20vaccination%20in%20you.%20Can%20we%20all%20agree%20that%20that%20was%20the%20winning%20path%3F%22 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/jan/26/scott-adam...

alexandre_m 9mo ago
> You are not giving a metric here so I can not tell why you think it is better The studies: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ There are many more. Several 2021–2022 studies, especially Delta-focused, suggested natural immunity provided robust or superior protection against reinfection compared to two-dose vaccination alone.
- davorak 9mo ago
  > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... > https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/191/8/1420/6556183 > https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8627252/ or [x], [y], [z] for ease. I read the abstract and conclusion of all three, none of them talk about natural immunity with no vaccination being the "winning path" like Scott Adams did. None of them talk about getting covid before getting vaccinated(maybe only optionally) as a better or safer path, not in the abstract or conclusions at least.
  - alexandre_m 9mo ago
    In [3]: "Nine clinical studies were identified, ..." "All of the included studies found at least statistical equivalence between the protection of full vaccination and natural immunity; and, three studies found superiority of natural immunity."
    - davorak 9mo ago
      That is not advise to try for natural immunity instead of or before getting the vaccine.
  - alexandre_m 9mo ago