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Whistleblower leaks personal details of thousands of Border Patrol/ICE Agents

49 points by ck2 9mo ago

busterarm 9mo ago
This isn't "whistleblowing" and I hope whomever did this spends a long time in prison. Regardless of what your feelings on ICE enforcement are...
- phs318u 9mo ago
  I kind of agree with you - up until the point that ICE started just shooting people in the face with zero consequences (and please don’t trot out the self-defence BS). Let’s try your comment in 1938 Germany. Replace the word ICE with Gestapo.
  - ck2 9mo ago
    also, what on earth does this DHS slogan mean? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-administration-ends-tps-somalia https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-admini... from a federal government agency heavily armed against unarmed non-violent protestors absolutely terrifying but that's the point I guess?
  - CamperBob2 9mo ago
    I hate the Gestapo comparisons because they are disrespectful to the Gestapo. Say what you will about them, at least they showed their faces.
    - dpc050505 9mo ago
      ICE is behaving like slave chasers, which inspired the Gestapo. The state of your country is homegrown yanqui fuckery. Should've finished the job you started in the civil war.
  - busterarm 9mo ago
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    - mothballed 9mo ago
      Many people have died in ICE custody as well, several so far this year, so it's not as simple as just placing yourself in their custody and then you are safe.
      - busterarm 9mo ago
        She didn't have to be there in the first place. It's not like she was just unintentionally in the middle of it. She sought out conflict with LEO.
        tastyface 9mo ago
        If ICE starts dragging your friends and neighbors out of their houses and cars and terrorizing your children at school, maybe you'll understand why she felt she had to be there. Or else, just try applying a bit of empathy.
        phs318u 9mo ago
        > She didn't have to be there in the first place. In the la-and of the free, and the ho-ome of the brave.
        fzeroracer 9mo ago
        What about the American citizens having their homes invaded by ICE without even the faintest veneer of legality? Should they not have been at home and sought out conflict? And if you're an honest to god American saying she deserved to be shot and murdered by LEOs because she was in wrong place is the most non-American shit I've heard. It's blatently shitting on our constitutional rights.
    - mcphage 9mo ago
      > I'm sorry that makes you feel a certain way but stupid actions have stupid consequences. I’m sorry this leak makes you feel a certain way, but see the above.
  - TrnsltLife 9mo ago
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  - grimblee 9mo ago
    Did you know the early nazis where actually impressed by america's segregation and racism and lamented they couldn't easily do the same? Well, they kinda did in the end.
- tastyface 9mo ago
  On the contrary, this is exactly the sort of thing a prototypical hacker would do: give a massive finger to the authorities through the use of technology.
  - busterarm 9mo ago
    That's not what a prototypical hacker is at all. I have the benefit of being able to talk to most of the "prototypical hackers", the TMRC crowd, decades ago and being a hacker had nothing to do with sticking it to authorities. It was all about personal ingenuity and generally lacking self-discipline (from an outsider's perspective -- as people didn't refer to themselves as hackers for decades, it started as a derisive term from more "respectable" researchers). The whole freedom-fighting hacker thing came about later, mostly from the 2600 and BBS crowd as a self-aggrandizement despite all of the laws that they were breaking: mainly related to use of telephone lines, wire & mail fraud, drug use/trafficing and age of consent violations. You're literally trying to tell me about my own tribe and you don't have the slightest clue.
    - tastyface 9mo ago
      Dunno about your friends, but I imagine the original, old school MIT hackers -- the ones who lockpicked doors for fun and fought tooth and nail against any restrictions on access to computer systems -- would chuckle at an infodump like this, not clutch their pearls.
    - boston_clone 9mo ago
      it seems as though you’re reaching extraordinarily far back in time to apply a definition that simply doesn’t exist anymore. hell, the time period you’re referencing (…80 years ago!) is when “gay” still meant “happy”. obviously, you’re free to use whatever words you like, but your clinging to outdated terminology and being perpetually misunderstood is not a failure of other people.
      - busterarm 9mo ago
        It was the parent poster that reached for the idea of "prototypical hacker", but then missed the mark by several decades. Words have meaning. Also my usage very much matches early "computer hackers" in a cultural sense. If I was just going off of the word origin itself we'd be talking about horse and carriage drivers...
psunavy03 9mo ago
While there's more than enough room to criticize both agencies these days, and if I did work for one of them I'd be retaining personal legal representation, doxxing people is not the answer. Sure, if some bad actors can be sued/prosecuted, that's not a bad thing per se. But we're already living in a world where US Senators and Supreme Court Justices have had to have security provided because of death threats from both sides of the aisle. We don't need to be encouraging vigilantes. No side is so noble that people can't do evil in its name.
- ck2 9mo ago
  two wrongs don't make it right but just to document that ICE has been using their facial scan and plate scan apps meant to determine immigration status on non-violent protestors and then following them home (or even more creepy, leading them to the protestor's home) and calling them out by full name and details https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-data-to-intimidate-observers-and-activists-advocates-say https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-d... I'd settle for the middle-ground law enforcement can't wear masks and cover their agency/badge number (or use fake plates) Extreme powers has to come with extreme responsibility, they are heavily armed and also using their cars to ram people on purpose, they don't have to follow rules because they know no-one knows who they are
  - IAmBroom 9mo ago
    "Two wrongs don't make it right" is a pleasant aphorism. Sometimes it takes a wrong to correct a wrong. By analogy: No amount of polite words will make Russia leave Ukraine. Killing every Russian in Ukraine probably won't do it either. And precise targeting of just the drone sources in Russia isn't feasible. Blowing to smithereens Russian fuel depots inside their cities? That will negatively impact, probably even kill, innocent Russian citizens. So, definitely a kind of "wrong"... that is necessary to end the war.
- tastyface 9mo ago
  "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If... if... We didn’t love freedom enough." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago We learn from history. These people don't get to terrorize our communities without pushback; no amount of finger-wagging will change this. (To be clear, I do not advocate violence, death threats, etc. But their little cosplay masks will not protect their anonymity. Let their friends and neighbors find out who they really are -- maybe they will feel shame for once.)
mellosouls 9mo ago
Original story (linked in TFA), and yes - incorrect use of "whistleblower". This is a data breach or hack. https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-of-border-patrol-and-ice-goons-allegedly-leaked-in-huge-data-breach/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-...
chiengineer 9mo ago
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songodongo 9mo ago
What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence? Is this not a key ingredient of fascism?
- pacomerh 9mo ago
  No, you need to expose them for many reasons, accountability, make it harder for them to join. You questioning this makes me think you agree with their tacticts, and it has been extremely obvious that organization is a total mess of rule breaking.
  - songodongo 9mo ago
    I’m not defending ICE. I’m questioning the logic. How does doxxing create “accountability” or deter recruitment unless the implied consequence is that someone might use that information to harass or harm them? If that’s the deterrent, we should be honest about what’s being encouraged.
- mcphage 9mo ago
  > What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence? Does this mean you imagine them beyond the law?
- IAmBroom 9mo ago
  Fascism, contrary to many people's usage, has an actual meaning that is not "things I don't like". One definition: "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology centered on a powerful dictator, extreme nationalism, and the nation's interests above the individual, suppressing opposition through force, propaganda, and control over society, business, and labor, often promoting militarism and a strong, unified national identity." Note that "citizens doxxing government actors" is not in any way an ingredient of fascism.
- grimblee 9mo ago
  A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerence, lest it gets destroyed by it. You cannot give anything to fascists, we know what they do, history is there, they didn't change, they're doing exactly the same thing.

49 points by ck2 9mo ago

This isn't "whistleblowing" and I hope whomever did this spends a long time in prison. Regardless of what your feelings on ICE enforcement are...

phs318u 9mo ago
I kind of agree with you - up until the point that ICE started just shooting people in the face with zero consequences (and please don’t trot out the self-defence BS). Let’s try your comment in 1938 Germany. Replace the word ICE with Gestapo.
- ck2 9mo ago
  also, what on earth does this DHS slogan mean? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-administration-ends-tps-somalia https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-admini... from a federal government agency heavily armed against unarmed non-violent protestors absolutely terrifying but that's the point I guess?
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  I hate the Gestapo comparisons because they are disrespectful to the Gestapo. Say what you will about them, at least they showed their faces.
  - dpc050505 9mo ago
    ICE is behaving like slave chasers, which inspired the Gestapo. The state of your country is homegrown yanqui fuckery. Should've finished the job you started in the civil war.
- busterarm 9mo ago
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  - mothballed 9mo ago
    Many people have died in ICE custody as well, several so far this year, so it's not as simple as just placing yourself in their custody and then you are safe.
    - busterarm 9mo ago
      She didn't have to be there in the first place. It's not like she was just unintentionally in the middle of it. She sought out conflict with LEO.
      - tastyface 9mo ago
        If ICE starts dragging your friends and neighbors out of their houses and cars and terrorizing your children at school, maybe you'll understand why she felt she had to be there. Or else, just try applying a bit of empathy.
      - phs318u 9mo ago
        > She didn't have to be there in the first place. In the la-and of the free, and the ho-ome of the brave.
      - fzeroracer 9mo ago
        What about the American citizens having their homes invaded by ICE without even the faintest veneer of legality? Should they not have been at home and sought out conflict? And if you're an honest to god American saying she deserved to be shot and murdered by LEOs because she was in wrong place is the most non-American shit I've heard. It's blatently shitting on our constitutional rights.
  - mcphage 9mo ago
    > I'm sorry that makes you feel a certain way but stupid actions have stupid consequences. I’m sorry this leak makes you feel a certain way, but see the above.
- TrnsltLife 9mo ago
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- grimblee 9mo ago
  Did you know the early nazis where actually impressed by america's segregation and racism and lamented they couldn't easily do the same? Well, they kinda did in the end.
tastyface 9mo ago
On the contrary, this is exactly the sort of thing a prototypical hacker would do: give a massive finger to the authorities through the use of technology.
- busterarm 9mo ago
  That's not what a prototypical hacker is at all. I have the benefit of being able to talk to most of the "prototypical hackers", the TMRC crowd, decades ago and being a hacker had nothing to do with sticking it to authorities. It was all about personal ingenuity and generally lacking self-discipline (from an outsider's perspective -- as people didn't refer to themselves as hackers for decades, it started as a derisive term from more "respectable" researchers). The whole freedom-fighting hacker thing came about later, mostly from the 2600 and BBS crowd as a self-aggrandizement despite all of the laws that they were breaking: mainly related to use of telephone lines, wire & mail fraud, drug use/trafficing and age of consent violations. You're literally trying to tell me about my own tribe and you don't have the slightest clue.
  - tastyface 9mo ago
    Dunno about your friends, but I imagine the original, old school MIT hackers -- the ones who lockpicked doors for fun and fought tooth and nail against any restrictions on access to computer systems -- would chuckle at an infodump like this, not clutch their pearls.
  - boston_clone 9mo ago
    it seems as though you’re reaching extraordinarily far back in time to apply a definition that simply doesn’t exist anymore. hell, the time period you’re referencing (…80 years ago!) is when “gay” still meant “happy”. obviously, you’re free to use whatever words you like, but your clinging to outdated terminology and being perpetually misunderstood is not a failure of other people.
    - busterarm 9mo ago
      It was the parent poster that reached for the idea of "prototypical hacker", but then missed the mark by several decades. Words have meaning. Also my usage very much matches early "computer hackers" in a cultural sense. If I was just going off of the word origin itself we'd be talking about horse and carriage drivers...

psunavy03 9mo ago

While there's more than enough room to criticize both agencies these days, and if I did work for one of them I'd be retaining personal legal representation, doxxing people is not the answer. Sure, if some bad actors can be sued/prosecuted, that's not a bad thing per se. But we're already living in a world where US Senators and Supreme Court Justices have had to have security provided because of death threats from both sides of the aisle. We don't need to be encouraging vigilantes. No side is so noble that people can't do evil in its name.

ck2 9mo ago
two wrongs don't make it right but just to document that ICE has been using their facial scan and plate scan apps meant to determine immigration status on non-violent protestors and then following them home (or even more creepy, leading them to the protestor's home) and calling them out by full name and details https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-data-to-intimidate-observers-and-activists-advocates-say https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-d... I'd settle for the middle-ground law enforcement can't wear masks and cover their agency/badge number (or use fake plates) Extreme powers has to come with extreme responsibility, they are heavily armed and also using their cars to ram people on purpose, they don't have to follow rules because they know no-one knows who they are
- IAmBroom 9mo ago
  "Two wrongs don't make it right" is a pleasant aphorism. Sometimes it takes a wrong to correct a wrong. By analogy: No amount of polite words will make Russia leave Ukraine. Killing every Russian in Ukraine probably won't do it either. And precise targeting of just the drone sources in Russia isn't feasible. Blowing to smithereens Russian fuel depots inside their cities? That will negatively impact, probably even kill, innocent Russian citizens. So, definitely a kind of "wrong"... that is necessary to end the war.
tastyface 9mo ago
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If... if... We didn’t love freedom enough." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Gulag Archipelago We learn from history. These people don't get to terrorize our communities without pushback; no amount of finger-wagging will change this. (To be clear, I do not advocate violence, death threats, etc. But their little cosplay masks will not protect their anonymity. Let their friends and neighbors find out who they really are -- maybe they will feel shame for once.)

mellosouls 9mo ago

Original story (linked in TFA), and yes - incorrect use of "whistleblower". This is a data breach or hack. https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-of-border-patrol-and-ice-goons-allegedly-leaked-in-huge-data-breach/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-...

chiengineer 9mo ago

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songodongo 9mo ago

What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence? Is this not a key ingredient of fascism?

pacomerh 9mo ago
No, you need to expose them for many reasons, accountability, make it harder for them to join. You questioning this makes me think you agree with their tacticts, and it has been extremely obvious that organization is a total mess of rule breaking.
- songodongo 9mo ago
  I’m not defending ICE. I’m questioning the logic. How does doxxing create “accountability” or deter recruitment unless the implied consequence is that someone might use that information to harass or harm them? If that’s the deterrent, we should be honest about what’s being encouraged.
mcphage 9mo ago
> What purpose does this serve other than to incite violence? Does this mean you imagine them beyond the law?
IAmBroom 9mo ago
Fascism, contrary to many people's usage, has an actual meaning that is not "things I don't like". One definition: "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology centered on a powerful dictator, extreme nationalism, and the nation's interests above the individual, suppressing opposition through force, propaganda, and control over society, business, and labor, often promoting militarism and a strong, unified national identity." Note that "citizens doxxing government actors" is not in any way an ingredient of fascism.
grimblee 9mo ago
A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerence, lest it gets destroyed by it. You cannot give anything to fascists, we know what they do, history is there, they didn't change, they're doing exactly the same thing.